Ever wonder why George Tenet's July 11, 2003 mea culpa about the Niger uranium snafu seemed so protective of the White House? Maybe that was because it was written by Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.
Posted by Timothy,
2:31 AM
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Akaka Bill Supreme Court nominee John Roberts argued on the side of Hawaiian Natives in the Rice case, and he lost. In response to that loss, Senator Akaka introduced a bill in which would treat Hawaiian Natives like Native Americans. Here's some news on the Akaka bill: (via hawaiiankingdom.info, which has more info and links)
As the Akaka bill gains more national exposure, powerful voices are getting involved.
In a coup for the bill's supporters, Viet Dinh, a former assistant attorney general at the Justice Department under President Bush, has written a paper arguing that Congress has both the moral and legal authority to enact the bill.
Dinh, an architect of the USA Patriot Act after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, wrote that the Constitution gives Congress the power to legislate regarding Indian tribes, and that power extends to Native Hawaiians.
"The answer to both questions is yes, especially given the moral and legal obligations the United States acquired for overthrowing the then-sovereign kingdom of Hawai'i in 1893," Dinh wrote.
If the bill does come up for a vote, I wonder if Republicans are going to argue that the bill is racist? How extreme rhetoric can Senators use while extolling the virtues of Roberts? If it really IS apartheid, as some right-wingers claim, then would we want to nominate someone who argued the Native Hawaiians' side? even as an advocate?
Posted by Timothy,
2:16 AM
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Tuesday, July 19, 2005 Which Is It, John Roberts?
"Roe v. Wade is the settled law of the land. ... There's nothing in my personal views that would prevent me from fully and faithfully applying that precedent." (2003 confirmation hearing)
"Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled." (a brief Roberts had filed with the Supreme Court while serving as deputy solicitor general in the Reagan administration)
Let's hope this was a genuine change of mind.
Update: To be fair (as Tim points out), all of Roberts' anti-Roe stances were taken when he was an advocate for the president, not a judge. Still, though, I don't think he should be off the hook entirely... he has a very long career as an advocate, and a very short career as a judge, so if we didn't look at his years as an advocate, we'd have virtually nothing to go on.
Update 2: I should have also included the continuation of his quote as solicitor general, because in that he says categorically that Roe had no support in the constitution. This is perhaps more worrying:"T]he Court’s conclusion in Roe that there is a fundamental right to an abortion… finds no support in the text, structure, or history of the constitution"
Posted by Justin Sarma,
11:03 PM
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John Roberts had some surprising clients On Bush's Supreme Court nominee John Roberts:
The Alliance for Justice, a liberal group that tracks judicial nominees, declared that Judge Roberts had “a record of hostility to the rights of women and minorities. He has also taken controversial positions in favor of weakening the separation of church and state and limiting the role of federal courts in protecting the environment.”
The group pointed out that Judge Roberts also argued on the government’s behalf that court supervision should be lifted in school desegregation cases; that public high schools should be able to perform religious ceremonies at graduations (a position rejected by the Supreme Court), and that religious groups had a right to meet on school grounds (a position the court accepted.)
His defenders argue that no individual brief should be held against him because a lawyer is duty-bound to represent his clients and make all reasonable legal arguments in the client’s favor. “There is extraordinary cover there,” said Mr. Goldstein. “It was his job to sign the brief.”
Senator Hatch,a Republican of Utah who chaired the confirmation hearing, said it was “patently unfair” to attribute the arguments personally to Judge Roberts. “Attorneys are required to represent their clients,” he said. “This fact is so fundamental that it should go beyond reproach.”
Mr. Hatch noted that the nominee’s clients also included welfare recipients that he represented for free, a prison inmate who alleged cruel and unusual punishment, Hawaii’s Democratic attorney general and governor arguing in favor of a race-conscious program to benefit native Hawaiians, and a Nevada regulatory agency seeking to limit property development around Lake Tahoe.
UPDATE: This website says that Roberts belives that "the Constitution should be interpreted narrowly and generally not used as a tool for righting social wrongs indicates a sound philosophy of judicial restraint." One of its largest sections on Roberts' advocacy includes litigation relating to 'Native Peoples':
Native Peoples
In a case concerning the Fifteenth Amendment, Roberts unsuccessfully argued that Hawaii could limit voters to only "Native Hawaiians" in the election of nine trustees that administer programs specifically for "Native Hawaiians."16 Robert’s argument was twofold.
First, the provision was no different than any other attempts by Congress and the states to honor the special obligation to America’s other native peoples.17 Second, the provision "does not violate the Fifteenth Amendment--and is not subject to strict scrutiny under the Fourteenth [Amendment]--because it does not draw any distinction ‘on account of race.’"18 The Court found otherwise and held that limiting the vote to only "Native Hawaiians" violated the Fifteenth Amendment.19
In a case that dealt with whether land was "Indian Land," Roberts correctly interpreted a Federal Statute and argued it was not.20 The statute at issue, the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act (ANCSA), was enacted to free up lands formerly designated by Congress as reservations from the heavy regulations such designations entail.21 ANSCA permitted business corporations made up of Alaskan Natives to take the lands in fee simple and to use the lands for any purpose.22 The specific issue in the case was whether once the land had been transferred could the corporate owner impose a tax upon non-Alaskan Natives conducting business on the land. Such taxes are permitted when the land in question is considered "Indian Land."23 Roberts argued, and the Court concurred, that since ANSCA transfers the land without any restraints on alienation or significant use restrictions, the transferred land can no longer be deemed "Indian Land" and therefore taxes may not be imposed.24 ... 17 Respondent’s Brief at 3, Rice v. Cayetano, 120 S. Ct. 1044 (2000) 18 Id. 19 Cayetano, at 1054-60 20 Alaska v. Native Village of Venetie Tribal Gov’t et al., 118 S. Ct. 948 (1999) 21 Id. at 950-52 22 Id. 23 Id. at 951 24 Id. at 955-56
Also: It seems that emphasizes Roberts' diverse list of clients was a strategy that was used at his confirmation hearing in 2003. He has not had much a paper trail on Native issues since becoming a judge, either. From Indianz.com:
Indianz.Com. In Print. URL: http://www.indianz.com/News/2005/009376.asp Bush names John G. Roberts to U.S. Supreme Court Wednesday, July 20, 2005 A conservative appellate court judge with significant experience in Indian law was nominated as the 109th U.S. Supreme Court justice on Wednesday. .... The Rice case was brought up during Roberts' January 29, 2003, confirmation hearing for the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. It was cited as proof that Roberts, as an experienced lawyer, represented a wide range of clients on diverse subjected and that he wouldn't base his judicial decisions on any personal views he might hold.
"I found that particularly gratifying because it indicated that they thought my abilities were such that I would be able to represent them effectively, and certainly wouldn’t be dissuaded in any way by any political considerations," he told the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Roberts was later confirmed to the D.C. Circuit on May 8, 2003, an important court in terms of Indian law. It hears the Cobell v. Norton trust fund case and dozens of other tribal rights cases that deal with actions by federal agencies.
But Roberts hasn't written any opinions in many of those cases, much less sat on a panel that decided them. The only exception is Roseville v. Norton in which the court upheld the Interior Department's acquisition of non-reservation land for a California tribe that opened a casino. Roberts didn't write the ruling.
Despite his legal achievements, the lack of a voluminous record on extends further back in Roberts' career. In addition to being a lawyer in private practice, he served as the principal deputy solicitor general from 1989 to 1993 in the first Bush administration, a key position in an office that helps decide which cases go to the Supreme Court.
During this time, important cases like Duro v. Reina, No. 88-6546, which held that tribes lack inherent criminal jurisdiction over Indians of other tribes, went before the court but Roberts' name doesn't appear on the Department of Justice's briefs, according to a preliminary search of documents from that period.
The article also notes Roberts (successfully) took an anti-tribal rights position in Alaska v. Venetie (that ruling is the big ruling for Alaska Natives, just as Rice v. Cayento was for Native Hawaiians). Indianz.com also has an article titled 'Schumer asked about Roberts' views on Natives'. Schumer said that its "too early to tell".
The Anchorage Daily News (July 20, 2005) reports on how Roberts told the paper in 1997 that he agreed with Alaska' position in Venetie (but no quotes are provided):
The attorney who represented the villages, Heather Kendall-Miller of the Native American Rights Fund, Tuesday recalled Roberts as "always extremely professional and courteous." She said Roberts also worked for the state of Alaska during parts of the Katie John subsistence litigation.
Kendall-Miller was asked if she has any thoughts about Roberts' judicial leanings. "Absolutely none," she said.
"That's the challenge here with someone who's spent (most of) his career in private practice, where you work for whoever might be able to pay you. ... He hasn't been on the bench long enough for people to get a good sense of that" from his opinions.
In a 1997 interview with the Daily News leading up the to the Venetie arguments, Roberts said that he took the case because he believed the Supreme Court would agree to hear the state's appeal, and that he believed in the state's position against Indian country in Alaska.
"It's a very important case," he said, "an interesting issue."
Here's a more general article on how Roberts' nomination was delayed because of the Democrats taking over the Senate after the Jeffords switch (that is why it seems to have taken until 2003 for him to be nominated- Senate control matters!):
Legal Times
June 4, 2001
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HEADLINE: Left Builds Case Against Bush Judges Attack on D.C. Circuit Nominee Distorts Record, Supporters Say
BYLINE: By Jonathan Groner
BODY: Barely two weeks ago, John Roberts Jr. seemed a shoo-in for speedy confirmation as the newest judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. A Senate Judiciary hearing was set for May 23, and all indications were that it would be a cursory affair.
But May 23 turned out to be the day that Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont made it clear that he would leave the Republican Party, shifting control of the Senate to the Democrats. Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) cancelled Roberts' hearing, along with those of two other judicial nominees.
And with the cancellations apparently went all prospects for a rapid and painless ascension to the bench for several Bush nominees, including Roberts, 46, the highly regarded head of Hogan & Hartson's appellate practice.
That's because Jeffords' bombshell is giving liberal interest groups-including the National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League (NARAL), People for the American Way, and the Alliance for Justice-something they previously lacked: time. Time to do research, time to network, and time to try to influence new Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and his Democratic Senate colleagues.
Although no one is suggesting now that Roberts will be defeated, NARAL, considered one of the more influential of the liberal activist groups, announced its formal opposition to him on May 21.
"There is no question that John Roberts' views represent a serious threat to the constitutional rights of women and the rights of reproductive choice," says Kate Michelman, NARAL's president. "He has argued consistently [in court cases], whenever possible, that there is no right of choice."
Michelman predicts that "a number of other members of the advocacy community" will soon join NARAL's opposition to Roberts. She declines to specify which ones. Although leaders of People for the American Way and the Alliance for Justice are more circumspect than Michelman, it appears likely that Roberts will face more heat.
Undeservedly so, say Roberts' supporters, who note that Roberts has advocated for so-called liberal positions in some cases and has the admiration of many legal scholars and practitioners who don't share his conservative views.
"John Roberts is possibly the foremost appellate lawyer of his generation," concludes Lawrence Robbins, a former lawyer in the solicitor general's office and now a partner in D.C.'s Robbins, Russell, Englert, Orseck & Untereiner. "The idea of arguing what he would do as a judge, based on positions he has advanced in court, is reckless. These groups are not being candid. They are just playing politics. They should be honest and just say they will oppose any nominee by this president."
The promise of a flap over the nomination of Roberts-who served for four years as deputy solicitor general in the first Bush administration and who has argued 33 cases before the Supreme Court-represents the first hint of the political climate that will likely affect other circuit court nominees, including Jeffrey Sutton, Michael McConnell, and Miguel Estrada.
Marcia Greenberger, co-president of the National Women's Law Center, which has not yet taken a position on any judicial nominees, says that the NWLC rarely plunges into debates over lower court judges. But now, she says, "we are evaluating the role we'll play and the posture we'll take, in view of the types of nominees that this administration is seeking and the importance of preserving American women's rights."
Marcia Kuntz, director of the judicial selection project of the Alliance for Justice, says that although it's too early in the process for the alliance to make a call on Roberts, "all of these [nominees] need to be looked at."
"There is no time frame now. No hearings are scheduled. The Democrats are now in control of the agenda," Kuntz says.
"The administration wants to show that these nominees are mainstream conservatives," Kuntz adds, "but we have major concerns that Roberts may not be in the mainstream on issues like choice and the environment."
On the abortion issue, Michelman notes that as deputy solicitor general, Roberts wrote in a 1991 brief that the Supreme Court's conclusion in Roe v. Wade that there is a fundamental right to abortion "finds no support in the text, structure, or history of the Constitution."
The case was Rust v. Sullivan, which raised the issue whether the Department of Health and Human Services could constitutionally limit its grantees' ability to engage in abortion counseling. The case was argued by then-Solicitor General Kenneth Starr. The Court upheld the HHS restrictions in a 5-4 decision.
Michelman also says that in Bray v. Alexandria Women's Health Clinic, a 1993 case involving access to abortion clinics, Roberts, still in the SG's office, said anti-abortion protesters' behavior did not amount to discrimination against women. Abortion-rights groups argued that since only women have abortions, the protests had a sex-based animus. The Court agreed with Roberts, who argued the case, in another 5-4 vote.
Liberal activists can also identify cases in which Roberts advocated positions antithetical to the goals of labor, environmental groups, and supporters of affirmative action.
Some point to Toyota Motor Mfg. v. Williams, an Americans With Disabilities Act case in which the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit held in a divided ruling that a Toyota plant worker with carpal tunnel syndrome qualifies for the act's protections. The Supreme Court granted Roberts' petition for certiorari on Toyota's behalf in April.
Roberts declines comment on his nomination. Calls to the White House counsel's office regarding the nomination were not returned.
But Roberts' supporters say it is wrong-headed to infer a lawyer's political views from his statements in briefs or arguments on behalf of clients-especially in the case of a nominee like Roberts, who has never stepped out from his role as counsel to express personal opinions.
"They apparently are going to attribute to John everything said in every brief filed by the Department of Justice that he signed," says Robbins. "No lawyer would wish to be held to every position which, as an advocate, he was required to advance. That denies the role of the lawyer in the adversary process."
Says Barbara Van Gelder, a former assistant U.S. attorney and now a partner in Wiley, Rein & Fielding: "The guy doesn't get to pick his positions as a government lawyer. When he was in the SG's office, he was a fair advocate, and his positions were always in the best light of the government."
Robbins points out that Roberts has argued quite often for positions associated with the liberal end of the spectrum.
For example, in Rice v. Cayetano, a 2000 Supreme Court case, Roberts argued-against conservative icon and now Solicitor General Theodore Olson-that Hawaii did not impose an improper racial preference when it limited voting in certain state elections to indigenous Hawaiians. The Supreme Court rejected Roberts' position in a 7-2 ruling.
Roberts also represented several states this year in the D.C. Circuit appeal of Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson's controversial order to break up the Microsoft Corp., a cause far more popular with liberals than with the corporate community.
Richard Lazarus, the director of the Supreme Court Institute at Georgetown University Law Center, supports Roberts' nomination and says Roberts "is not an ideological person at all."
Says Lazarus, whose personal views tend to the liberal side of the spectrum: "In the eight years since he left the solicitor general's office, I don't think Roberts has filed a single amicus brief for a conservative ideological organization. And I will guarantee that given his prominence, he's being asked all the time to do so. He just hasn't played at all in that game."
Liberal activists respond that in some circumstances, it's perfectly appropriate to press a judicial nominee about positions that he or she has taken as an advocate.
Michelman says, "Roberts was there in the first Bush administration in part because his views were in sync with that administration's hostility to reproductive rights for women. He did a job that he felt comfortable doing."
Elliot Mincberg, legal director of People for the American Way, agrees. Speaking generally about judicial nominees, he says, "I don't think the fact that someone is an advocate insulates him from some responsibility for the content of what's being advocated."
People for the American Way has not yet taken a position on Roberts.
It is interesting that Ted Olsen took the other side of Hawaii case. I wonder if we'll see that talknig point.
Back to what kind of judge Roberts would be for Native issues. I find significant that Roberts was Rehnquist's clerk from 1980 to 1981, according to this wikipedia on it . Rehnquist wrote some opinions that were very against Native sovereignty around that time, though I think his infamous Oliphant opinion was from the year. before. The Hawaii Reporter says that the opponent of the Native Hawaiians in the Rice case thought Roberts was a good pick (not a good endorsement in my book):
Ultimately Roberts, who has argued many cases before the U.S. Supreme Court, lost that case to Freddie Rice, a Big Island rancher who took his fight against exclusive voting rights for Hawaiians to the nation’s top court.
Rice told Hawaii Reporter he believes Roberts is a good choice for the nation’s highest court.
Who is he? The former attorney represented the state in Rice v. Cayetano ... When the Supreme Court struck down the voting restriction as unlawful racial discrimination in February 2000, Roberts told the Star-Bulletin that the decision "could have been worse. The good news is that the majority's opinion was very narrowly written and expressly did not call into question the Office of Hawaiian Affairs, the public trust for the benefit of Hawaiians and native Hawaiians, but only the particular voting mechanism by which trustees are selected."
Honolulu attorney Sherry Broder said yesterday that "he's someone who has represented native Hawaiian people and the state of Hawaii. I'm glad to see he has that kind of a background.
"He is obviously very bright," said Broder, who represented OHA in the Rice case that went before the high court on Oct. 6, 1999. She was one of the local attorneys who briefed Roberts in the case.
"We generally went over the different points to be made. It was very exciting to watch" the case presented to the Supreme Court, she said. "He was very quick on his feet."
Former Gov. Ben Cayetano noted: "He did about as good a job as could be done under the circumstances. I was not optimistic about the state's chance in Rice."
State Sen. Clayton Hee (D Kahuku-Kaneohe), who was OHA board chairman in 1999, said: "I met him and was there during the Supreme Court argument. It says something about him that he has some knowledge about indigenous people.
"Of course, coming up on the short end, I thought he could have made more compelling arguments. I presume he tried his best, but it wasn't to be."
Wednesday, July 20, 2005 Nominee argued state's OHA case at Supreme Court in 1999
By Ken Kobayashi Advertiser Courts Writer
In the early morning of Feb. 23, 2000, state deputy attorney general Girard Lau groggily answered a call to his Honolulu home from John Roberts Jr., then a Washington lawyer hired by the state to argue a landmark case for Native Hawaiians before the U.S. Supreme Court.
Roberts called to say the high court had ruled in Rice v. Cayetano. The state lost, he told Lau, but he was pleased the justices rendered a narrow ruling limited only to voting rights.
"He did a great job," Lau recalled yesterday. If it weren't for Roberts' work, the ruling might have been more expansive and could have jeopardized government benefits for Native Hawaiians, Lau said.
As it is, with its narrow focus, the decision left the door open for such measures as the Akaka bill now pending before Congress, he said.
"I think he did a good job of laying out the case so it was much harder for the court to make a sweeping ruling," said Lau.
Roberts was nominated yesterday by President Bush to be a U.S. Supreme Court justice.
Lau, who works in the appeals division of the state attorney general's office, was the point person in contact with Roberts for the Rice vs. Cayetano case. Roberts argued for the state when the U.S. Supreme Court heard the case in October 1999.
Lau said the office wanted to hire someone best qualified, focusing on lawyers who had experience in appearing before the high-court justices.
"He had an extremely good reputation," he said.
Rice vs. Cayetano involved a lawsuit by Big Island rancher Harold "Freddy" Rice, challenging the requirement that only Hawai'i residents with Hawaiian blood could vote for trustees of the Office of Hawaiian Affairs. Chief U.S. Judge David Ezra and the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals both sided with the state in defending the practice, but the high court agreed to hear the case.
Lau watched Roberts argue before the high court and said he did an "excellent" job, although it was a difficult one given the questions posed by the justices. He and Roberts left thinking that it would be a "tough" one to win.
"You just hope from the way the questioning went that the justices fully appreciate your case," Roberts told reporters.
In the 7-2 decision by the Supreme Court in 2000, the majority justices held that restricting the ballots only to Native Hawaiians violated the Constitution's 15th amendment protecting voting rights.
Roberts told reporters "a silver lining" was that the majority issued such a narrow ruling. "In terms of a defeat, it is at least good news that the court wrote very narrowly and focused on the voting issue," he said.
Although that decision has been invoked by both sides in the current debate over the Akaka bill, Lau said the majority limited the ruling to the Constitution's 15th amendment. If they had based the decision on the Constitution's equal-protection 14th amendment, the ruling might have made it harder to save programs for Native Hawaiians and easier to attack the Akaka bill on constitutional grounds, Lau said. ... Lau said he recognizes the irony that Roberts, who had a conservative reputation, was hired to represent what some might consider a liberal cause. Lau said he never asked Roberts about his personal views because it would be irrelevant and that a good lawyer would set it aside in presenting the client's case.
As an advocate, Roberts argued positions in support and against affirmative action, and for and against prisoner rights, he said. "Clearly a good attorney can argue both sides of an issue," he said. ... "Sometimes a conservative advocate for liberal causes is more compelling to the court," he said.
Posted by Timothy,
12:33 PM
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Freudian Slip by the Grey Lady? The New York Times had reported:
The previously undisclosed telephone conversation, which took place on July 8, 2003, was initiated by Mr. Novak, the person who has been briefed on the matter said.
Mighty interesting sourcing, huh? This story contradicts Novak's public story, it conveniently helps out Rove, and a number of previous Rove defenses by his lawyer have been rendered inoperative. A number of left-wing blogs have thought that the source was probably Rove's lawyer, someone similiarly situated, or even Rove himself. A number of right-wing blogs seem to take it complete exoneration, which strains credibility given the lack of credibility among the Rove team (if that is who is the source here). So who is the source?
It seems the New York Times might have accidently revealed it:
Correction: Tuesday, July 19:
A front-page subheading on Friday with an article about the disputed involvement of Karl Rove, the White House senior adviser, in leaking the name of a C.I.A. officer omitted attribution for an account of Mr. Rove's words to the columnist Robert D. Novak. The conversation was described by someone who had been officially briefed on the matter. According to the account, Mr. Rove said "I heard that, too" after hearing about the officer from the columnist. The subheading should not have attributed the account of that comment directly to Mr. Rove.
Even if this was only a copy error, as it probably was, it is hilarious.
Posted by Timothy,
1:49 AM
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"One simple question for Rove's defenders" Tom Tomorrow asks:
If everything he did was aboveboard and beyond reproach, why has the administration consistently lied about it for two years?
Posted by Timothy,
1:19 AM
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Outing CIA agents not always bad? Nathan Newman and Brad Plumer remind us the problems with making this an absolute principle, based on the history of the C.I.A.
Mind you, it is hypocritical for Republicans to claim this. But is it hypocritical (or whatever) for the Republicans to claim that Democrats are being hypocritical? Well, Newman's and Plumer's argument seems to be a liberal argument, not a Democratic one, if you understand the difference. I've been meaning to post about hypocrisy and the pointing out of hypocrisy on the other side for a year or two. Maybe when this article for the American Political Science Association is done.
It "[It] certainly wouldn't be the first time that the CIA might have been overzealous in sort of maintaining the kind of top-secret definition on things longer than they needed to,"
Posted by Timothy,
1:09 AM
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Ah, the good old days of the Dartmouth Observer You don't know what you had until it is summed up in nice retrospective. Check it out. It was a trip down memory lane for me. If I can blog about Nancy Reagan's psychic for that long, perhaps I can write my dissertation after all.
Congressman Frank LoBiondo apologized for suggesting that Guantanamo Bay detainees were worse than Adolf Hitler because the Nazi dictator "sort of had a political rationale about what he was doing."
It shows the pathology of some people that they will even think in this way.
Posted by Timothy,
9:10 PM
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Moving the goal posts? More like another stadium The title of this post is a paragraph of what Howard Fineman said today on MSNBC's Countdown about the President's redefinition of what it takes to get fired in his administration. Andrew Sullivan posts:
QUOTES OF THE DAY: "If anyone in this administration was involved in it [the improper disclosure of an undercover CIA operative's identity], they would no longer be in this administration." - Scott McClellan, September 29, 2003.
"I don't know of anyone in my administration who has leaked. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action. And this investigation is a good thing." - president Bush, September 30, 2003.
"I would like this to end as quickly as possible so we know the facts and if someone committed a crime they will no longer work in my administration," - president Bush, today.
Sullivan continues:
I think it's possible to parse these statements as meaning the same thing. I just don't think you can and have any record deploring Bill Clinton's use of legal semantics.
Update: Now THIS is some semantic parsing, and probably what Sullivan had in mind when he wrote his post.
Posted by Timothy,
8:29 PM
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GOP Congressman willing to bomb Mecca Looney Toons. Way to win the hearts and minds of Muslims.
Posted by Timothy,
7:44 PM
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Clueless The Hotline says this:
As we enter the second week of intense speculation about Karl Rove's involvement in the Valerie Plame outing/investigation, there is little common ground between bloggers on the right and left. There's a good reason for this, and it is often overlooked: Once one side or the other makes its case effectively, the other side tends to quietly drop previous assertions.
The blogs I read (typical big traffic lefty blogs) make me doubt this.
Posted by Timothy,
6:03 PM
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That is bullshit From Lou Dobbs Tonight (7/15/05) (transcript via Lexis-Nexis):
DOBBS: Tonight, a surprising new development in the CIA leak investigation. Karl Rove's testimony to a federal grand jury is being reported. The testimony suggests that President Bush's political adviser may not have been the original source for the Valerie Plame leak. Rove testifying that he first learned about Plame from columnist Robert Novak, a CNN contributor. Dana Bash reports.
Dartblog links this blogger, who says:Immediately after that you can clearly hear a female voice on mic whispering "that's bullshit".
The part in bold seems to be clearly bullshit, if you believe recent accounts.* Here's what was printed in The New York Times:
After hearing Mr. Novak's account, the person who has been briefed on the matter said, Mr. Rove told the columnist: "I heard that, too."
Here's a simple question: how can Rove have "first learned about Plame from columnist Robert Novak" if Rove told Novak that "I heard that, too." Rove had to have heard it before, even according to this account (which I think is probably simply Rove's lawyer Luskin or someone else spinning for Rove).
Dartblog tells the story this way:
Lou Dobbs was introducing a report on Grand Jury testimony to the effect that Rove did not volunteer information to Novak, but vice-versa. As the piece was to start, a CNN staffer can clearly be heard in the background yelling, "That's bullshit!" That's CNN.
Notice how Dartblog does not mention that the last sentence Dobbs said before introducing the report was in fact bullshit. That's Dartblog.
Also: Dartblog Gets Facts Wrong Dartoblog says:
According to the Grand Jury Testimony, he told Matt Cooper that he had heard the same rumor (of Plame's CIA job) as had Cooper. He didn't confirm or deny it; just said that he had heard the same thing.
Reports say that Rove said that to Novak, not Cooper. Cooper testified that Rove told him about Wilson's wife, that she worked at the agency (which clearly meant the CIA to him) on WMD issues. Cooper didn't know about Wilson's wife until Rove told him. I don't know what Grand Jury Testimony Dartblog is talking about, but he isn't reading the newspapers well. I don't claim to get every detail right when blogging (especially about this topic), but Dartblog is not even getting the basic details right, making me wonder what is going on. The level of detail that Dartlog using in Wilson made think he knew more specifics than most (me for example), but now I'm not so sure.
Update: Mystery partly solved. I'm guessing Dartblog reads National Review's The Corner. Here's what Cliff May posted: "6) Reporters heard rumors about Plame arranging Wilson’s trip to Africa. Cooper asked Rove about it. Rove said he’d heard the same thing – perhaps from another reporter." May provides no link. Neither does Dartblog, not even to May (or wherever they both got it from). Immediate Update: All kinds of crap is floating around NRO. I'm giving up tracking back all this stuff, for now.
This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons. The real culprit - the big enchilada, to borrow a 1973 John Ehrlichman phrase from the Nixon tapes - is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped-up grounds and in so doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war, not the unmasking of a C.I.A. operative who posed for Vanity Fair.