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Saturday, April 05, 2003


RIAA Attacks

The Daily Princetonian (no, I'm not a regular reader) reports:
Last night, we learned that several of the biggest record labels in America have joined together to sue a single Princeton student, seeking millions of dollars in damages. They charge that he made and shared illegal copies of popular music, and helped make it easy for other students to do the same.


Posted by Nikhil, 11:56 PM -

Coalition of the Righteous

This isn't particularly new information, and I'm skeptical of some of the statistics, but this despatch summarizes Bush's Christian crusader attitudes in a particularly unsettling way. Who needs the United Nations on your side when you're backed by GATO (the God-American Treaty Oranization). What's this "unconventional war" the Iraqis are threatening in Baghdad? Could it be ... a one-on-one death match between George Bush and Satan himself?

Seriously, though, why does Jesus save all the wrong people?


Posted by Nic, 11:51 PM -

It Matters
This one's for Kumar.


Posted by Laura, 8:59 PM -

duck and cover
everyone's favorite sees trouble ahead.
from the guardian


Posted by Graham, 8:46 PM -

sigh...
Atrios quotes an article saying: "Nearly eight in 10 Americans now accept the Bush administration's contention, disputed by some experts, that Hussein has "close ties" to Al Qaeda (even 70% of Democrats agree). And 60% of Americans say they believe Hussein bears at least some responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, a charge even the administration hasn't levied against him."
There is a great first response in atrios' comments section: "Atrios, are you really trying to say that Osadamma and his Saudiraqi gang aren't responsible? See, this is why the anti-war left has no credibility."
But the next commentator wisely notes: "Somehow, I think the 'Vote for us: the rest of America are morons' isn't going to work as a rallying cry, even for the far left, come the next election. "


Posted by Timothy, 7:57 PM -

New energy legislation moving through Congress

The House is stitching together their big new energy bill, possibly throwing it down for a floor vote as early as next week. CNN has the view from the House:

The Resource panel passed a series of financial incentives aimed at spurring production of oil, natural gas and coal.

The bill would allow producers to forego paying federal royalties when developing deep offshore wells in search of natural gas in the Gulf of Mexico and off Alaska, remove limits on how many acres coal companies may lease and require the government to reimburse energy companies for the cost of meeting environmental reviews.
Read the whole article (and anyone interested can read the actual text here). The bill's also chock full of deregulation, drilling in Alaska and contaminated drinking water. The betting odds are that the House Democrats (who were spineless about tax cuts) will get bulldozed on just about everything.

On then, to the Senate. The Finance Committee is preparing a $16 billion tax incentive package to subsidize those good folks in pursuit of alternative energy sources (read about the bill here). The Senate still has yet to draft its energy legislation, though the Washington Post noted today that Alaska drilling will not even come up for consideration, as the Democrats have threatened to filibuster the plan.

The upside is that, well, there will be no drilling in Alaska (for now, at least). The downside? Democrats like Lieberman, Kerry and Edwards, all loud opponents of the ANWR Plan, can now compromise with the Republicans on other, more crucial parts of the bill and still pretend to be eco-friendly on the campaign trail in 2004. Sen Domenici's (R-NM) snide prediction will, alas, probably prove correct:

There will be a debate about automobile fuel economy, [Domenici] predicted, adding that Democrats aspiring to be president will "stumble over each other trying to get" more stringent automobile fuel economic requirements into the bill. Kerry and Lieberman led that charge last year, but failed.
Smile for the camera boys. And meanwhile nothing gets done...

Update: Matt Bivens over at The Nation also comments on the House Bill. He has a few links to Public Citizen, but they haven't really examined the bill in detail yet. Although for the record, here is what President Joan Claybrook had to say about last year's Senate energy bill.


Posted by Brad Plumer, 2:20 PM -

Stevenson Joins the "I am an Idiot" Club
John Stevenson writes about the Queer Bar Night on the Observer: "3. There won't even be good looking people there. It will mostly be a cackle of militant identity-ists projecting images of 'pride.'"


Posted by Kumar, 12:29 PM -



Posted by Richie Jay, 8:56 AM -

Friday, April 04, 2003


Ralph and Andy
Nader asks,

What will Bush say to Americans if no weaponized nuclear, chemical or biological materials are found in Iraq or, if found, not used, as 60 Minutes World War II vet Andy Rooney believes we ourselves would use if a powerful foreign invasion was overwhelming our country?

It's about time this country started heeding Andy Rooney's advice. Who needs all those electrical cords, anyway?


Posted by T. Wood, 7:03 PM -

DFP Vol 3.8
The newest issue of the Dartmouth Free Press is online--actually it has been for a couple of days. Sue me.
Freedartmouth contributor Jared Alessandroni chimes in on the "not credible" prospect of the Iraq war spreading democracy region wide.
Scott Anderson has the goods on Bill O'Reilly, Jerry Bruckheimer and the pro-war news gang.
Steve Fri..er Janos Marton has a man on the scene piece on spring breakers, Myrtle Beach, and the war.
Your's truly--in an performance overly evocative of Mr. Scholer--skewers the irrationallity of bashing of the French position, and talks with potential '04 contender Gary Hart.
From non FDers, we've got Rebecca Davis running down the impact of anti-Iraq sanctions.
Rounding it all out is Alex "Crispy Fish" Kirigin's analysis of the environmental costs of war.
Check it out. If you like what you see, toss us a subscription.


Posted by Clint, 4:07 PM -

Dartmouth Review will live on...
Whoever thought the Review was dying did not count on one thing: they can always just quote some comments from this blog and churn out a column. Here is one gem: "For a term and a half, Dartmouth has been a hotbed of anti-war sentiment. We are home to “Why War?”, the Dartmouth Free Press, the weblog FreeDartmouth.com, and Peace Beard, that old guy who stands on the corner of Wheelock and Main wearing a sandwich board."


Posted by Timothy, 3:32 PM -

DFP scoops The Nation
The Nation has gone ahead and added the Iraq Body Count to their Act Now blog. As I recall, we put it up on freedartmouth the monday before classes started.


Posted by Clint, 3:20 PM -

Harvard Law Gets Its First Woman Dean
Elena Kagan was appointed on Thursday as dean of Harvard Law School. Ms. Kagan, a professor of law at Harvard and a former law clerk to the late Justice Thurgood Marshall, is the first woman named to that job. She will replace Robert C. Clark, who will step down at the end of June. (via the Center for Women and Gender's blitz bulletin)


Posted by Laura, 12:21 PM -

Heartwarming
A heartwarming story about an Iraqi man who risked his life to facilitate the rescue of American POW Jessica Lynch. From The Washington Post.

Disgusting
Say what you will about the previous article - fluff piece, etc. - this article is disgusting. This about studios trying to get the rights to "hero" Lynch's story. Because one becomes a hero by being captured driving a tow truck. Her ordeal was probably harrowing and it is a miracle she was rescued, but it seems to me the real hero here is the subject of the article above, not the person he rescued. Also from The Washington Post.


Posted by Jonathan, 6:11 AM -

A thought experiment on who Drezner would have fired
Dan Drezner, who kindly linked to us a while back, says that De Genova should not be fired for the comments he made at the teach-in. But he allows the possibility that maybe De Genova should be fired for class-related conduct hinted at in news reports. One of Drezner's examples is that a student said De Genova once cancelled his office hours to go to war rally. Can we call this for what it is: a pretext? Professors miss their office hours for all sorts of bad and often personal reasons. Would Drezner make it rule that those (untenured) professors should be fired? Would he say that we should investigate professors to make sure that haven't done so? Or only those who make disgusting comments outside the classroom? As I said, firing De Genova because of his alleged classroom-related misdeeds would be a mere pretext and the real reason would be because of his disgusting comments. That would hardly be a victory for free speech.
Drezner also suspects that De Genova may push his anti-war viewpoint in class and intimidate his students:
Any teacher worth their salt knows that students must be constantly reassured that disagreement with the powers that be -- i.e., the person in charge of grading -- will not affect their class performance. If academics publicize their position on an issue of the day, and then signal to the students taking their class that this can be the only correct position, the professor has crossed the line from the free expression of personal views to the subtle intimidation of alternative points of view.
I have a hard time seeing how this could be a fair, workable standard for firing someone. Ok, even if a professor has to allow all viewpoints, must he "constantly reassure" students he will not grade them badly? What if a student were to say in class that he or she thought there should be a million mogadishus? Or a million matthew shepards? Could a professor express outrage or must the professor bite their tongue in order to 'constantly reassure' the student that his or her views will not affect his grade? Can a professor say the U.S. army is imperialist if students in his or her class have parents in the military? Can they mention any atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in Vietnam if students have relatives who were veterans of that war? And also, on your logic, why does the view have to be expressed in class for students to feel intimidated? If it is widely publicized, they know the viewpoint. What if you happen to be in the class of someone who has the world's most popular weblog and your professor provides a link to a post saying all people of your religion should be suspected of disloyalty (imagine atrios is university's biggest donor).
Furthermore, a lot of universities do not care a hoot about teaching or at least when it comes to granting tenure. Maybe they should care as much about it as they care about research. Maybe you could argue this should start a reform of standards in academia and somehow argue this will not threaten free speech. But it hardly seems wise to assume that in a time of war this will done in a way that protect free speech and does not target certain viewpoints. Firing De Genova in such a pretexted manner would likely have larger consequences. Sadly, I would guess Drezner can think of professors (well maybe not ones at Chicago, heh) who do 'push' their viewpoints in some way. I do not like that is a good teaching tactic, but is Drezner saying we should fire them all (those without tenure only I presume)? Or somehow judge when a professor does not tolerate enough viewpoints and make students feel comfortable enough? More likely is that the only profs who would be fired would be those who managed to pop up onto the national media radar screen or otherwise managed to be untenured and offend the donors and alumni. Is there a principle here that does not put a lot of professors at risk? I cannot see one ....


Posted by Timothy, 2:48 AM -

They Tore Up My Writ of Habeas Corpus And Stomped That Sucker Flat
The Constitution says:
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it. - Article I, Section 9

2 Questions:
1) Is there currently a rebellion underway in the United States?
2) Has the United States been invaded?

If you answered "no" to both of these questions, please explain this:
For the last two weeks, Maher Hawash, a 38-year-old software engineer and American citizen who was from the West Bank and grew up in Kuwait, has been held in a federal prison here, though he has not been charged with a crime or brought before a judge. - The New York Times

Learn more about Mr. Hawash here.

Now you ask: "Boy Eisenman, won't you feel stupid when they prove that this guy is really Osama Bin Laden's bedmate?"
No. If they have proof, show it. Otherwise kindly obey the Constitution which you've sworn to serve and protect, from the President on down to the lowliest Congressional Intern (well, I had to sign the oath, at least, I'm presuming everyone else did too).



Posted by Jonathan, 1:33 AM -

Some Alumni and Donors push for Columbia to fire De Genova
Some alumni donors are pressuring the president's office and the Office of Development and Alumni Relations to fire Professor Nicholas De Genova for statements he made in last week's anti-war teach-in.
In the past few days, donors have barraged the offices with emails and phone calls, informing the University that they feel that De Genova overstepped the limits of academic free speech. In mass-mailed email messages circulated among each other, alumni have urged each other to issue an ultimatum to the University: Fire De Genova or lose our donations....
Gray, and others working in the Office of University Development and Alumni Donations, said that the University would not necessarily heed ultimatums even if important donors issued them. "They'd love for us to fire him, but it's not going to happen," Gray said. "He's protected under academic free speech."

I'm glad that De Genova is said to be protected under free speech, but I am worried by that 'necessarily' up there. The Columbia Daily Spectacle could not provide a direct quote so we could know the context and qualifiers? They seem, you know, somewhat important here.


Posted by Timothy, 1:03 AM -

France & Grave Desecration

For crying out loud -- America's politicians may have turned into xenophobic idiots, but at least the man on the street in America hasn't exploded into nationalistic bigotry (except for the people who were already there pre-9/2001). Too bad it looks like France really has gone insane with anti-Americanism. Can you picture anybody who isn't an elected official desecrating a grave with anti-French graffiti?

Pass the freedom fries.


Posted by Nic, 1:03 AM -

A Must Read For FreeDartmouth people
Dailykos is great on Iraq. But this is a MUST read (via lean left).


Posted by Timothy, 12:49 AM -

Iraq means World War IV
Why didn't this ex-CIA chief tell us before the war?


Posted by Timothy, 12:44 AM -

The Dems call for more regime change!
Wow, I had thought that TeamGOP press release was taking a quote of Kerry's out of context. Kerry is calling for regime change in the U.S.:
''What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,'' Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library. By echoing the ''regime change'' line popular with hundreds of thousands of antiwar protesters who have demonstrated across the nation in recent weeks, the Massachusetts senator and Democratic presidential contender seemed to be reaching out to a newly invigorated constituency as rival Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont and a vocal opponent of the war in Iraq, closes in on Kerry in opinion polls....''I don't think they're going to trust this president, no matter what,'' Kerry said. ''I believe it deeply, that it will take a new president of the United States, declaring a new day for our relationship with the world, to clear the air and turn a new page on American history.''
I'm really suprised... but it seems a little harsh. Not simpy the comment in itself, but how I think Kerry will appear to people. Dean is a more subtle than Kerry right now? Sheesh. It is an interesting tactic though, what Dean has going for him is a willingness to fight. If Kerry can adopt some of that... but still, Dean seems nice and right when doing it to me at least. "I want our country back" rather than get rid of those despots in the white house. "Regime Change" just does not seem as sunny. But it made me think that Kerry could be a formidable candidate if he'll adopt Dean-style rhetoric AND have the advantages of his wife's money, veteran status (and veterans against the war status), and height (I presume). But Kerry also sometimes looks dead, doesn't he? Can he fire 'em up like Dean (or at least me?) Can Dean compete? Looks like the two have a rivalry! (Also Dean and Lieberman seemed to have raised about the same amount of money so far... that's a big uh-oh for Lieberman....)
Also: Interesting more discussions on Howard Dean Here and here.


Posted by Timothy, 12:43 AM -

Astroturf McCarthyism
And here I was thinking the 'you can't criticize the President in a time of war' claim was becoming less frequent since the days after 9/11. Atrios has this release to TeamGOP 'letter to the editor' grassroots writers:
Yesterday, John Kerry shocked many Americans when he called for "regime change" right here in the U.S. By comparing our commander-in-chief to Saddam Hussein's brutal regime at a time of war, Kerry showed just what he is willing to say to appeal to liberal Democrat primary voters. RNC, Chairman Marc Racicot quickly responded saying, "Senator Kerry crossed a grave line when he dared to suggest the replacement of America's commander-in- chief at a time when America is at war. Critical analysis offered in the best interests of the country is part of a healthy democracy. But this use of self- serving rhetoric designed to further Senator Kerry's political ambitions at a time when the lives of America's sons and daughters are at stake reflects a complete lack of judgment."
But I don't want to be a mindless partisan by saying the GOP is full of mindless partisans. They know exactly what they are doing here.


Posted by Timothy, 12:26 AM -

Think of history but always look forward
As usual, Scott cuts straight to the point. Past mistakes should never prevent any government (or person) from acting well in the present. However, an unfortunate track record can serve as an indicator for how this situation might turn out. I also do not believe that we should shrink from any problem because we cannot solve all problems. Limited resources, though, are different than hypocrisy. How can the Bush admin's neocon "liberators" claim to be human rights heroes while they support "free" trade that drives impoverished peoples further into poverty? How can they, in the same breadth, continue to shirk environmental regulation at the expense of developing nations? This is not about liberating people, never has been, this is about a political agenda.
Also, since war was not imminently brought upon us, how can we say with much integrity that all of those who have already perished in this conflict (civilians and soldiers) NEEDED to die for the greater good of Iraq?


And J.D. Hayworth needs to pipe down. I'm not going to get into debate over De Genova's words, but if freedom of speech can't survive in the intellectual community, then where can it? I just skimmed Hayworth's website and he doesn't seem preeminently qualified to advise on University Management. Here's a new idea: instead of wasting all their time calling for professor's heads, renaming fast food, and securing divine providence for the troops, how about the members of congress go back to doing their jobs? Last I checked there were inadequate, unbalanced budgets being proposed, health coverage roll backs, an underfunded public education system, homeland security that exists largely in name and hardly in practice, and still no meaningful campaign finance reform. Kudos all around!


Posted by Graham, 12:14 AM -

Thursday, April 03, 2003


Not to Beat this to Death, but...
As someone who opposes the war, I readily admit that there is the potential that war in Iraq will benefit the Iraqi people. However, this prospect in my mind is not the most likely outcome in either the short run or the long run. In the short run, obviously lots of Iraqis are dying who would not otherwise be dying. In the long run however, it seems unlikely that the Iraqi people will truly be "liberated". While they may be free from Saddam, this in no way ensures a democratic and/or peaceful government will replace it. The fact the US has been inconsistent with when it has chosen to intervene in the last ten years (intervening in Kosovo and Iraq, but not in Rwanda or Congo) is not in and of itself a reason to oppose war in Iraq. The reason these inconsistencies are pertinent is that since the Bush administration is in Iraq for reasons other than humanitarian ones, it is less likely that they will do a good job of reconstructing it. A democracy in Iraq will require work to create and seems unlikely to emerge unless the US offers significant aid. This aid is not likely to be forthcoming given that the Bush administration is not in Iraq for the purpose of helping the Iraqi people. Look at the last government the US had a hand setting up in Afghanistan. The Afghani president, Hamid Karzai, cannot travel through most of the country or even all of Kabul. Most of the country is ruled by ruthless warlords just as it was before. Is this liberation? Unless the US is serious about reconstructing Iraq, it has no business going into Iraq. (This is not to say that the US necessarily would have the right if it was serious about reconstruction though anyway, but it's a different argument)


Posted by scott anderson, 11:32 PM -

I Love The Guardian
Because, among many other reasons, they defend the "chick flick."


Posted by Laura, 11:10 PM -

Psyops
Read this for interesting information on the Defense Department's propaganda in Iraq. One gem: apparently, the DOD sent e-mails to Iraqi generals, from disguised sources, as an intimidation tactic. If I were an Iraqi general, I wouldn't trust e-mail from "rummy506724@aol.com."


Posted by Laura, 10:49 PM -

Iraqis Defeat British Marines!

Something to smile about


Posted by sam, 10:15 PM -

North Korean News

Big news: China cut off North Korea's oil to motivate them to take a less aggressive stance.

Multi-lateral talks are the only way to end this crisis, because at the end of the day, China, Japan, South Korea & Taiwan have more at stake than we do.

Also, the North Korean government is now confiscating triplets.


Posted by sam, 10:02 PM -

Re: Fuzzy Logic

1) The problem is that most of the world still sees us as hypocritical. Other nations don't forget so easily what has happened in the "past." And our "past" isn't that long ago. The "past" has a President with the same last name as our current one. Rumsfield was the US representative who went to Iraq, shook Hussein's hand, and sealed the deal to give him chemical weapons, biological weapons capability, conventional arms and political support. We're not talking about ancient history. Furthermore, how do you know that what is going on now is any different from the "past," those 22 other nations we've been involved in since Korea? Back then the US leadership didn't throw their arms in the air and admit they were about to do something completely awful and disasterous to another country in propping up some regime or overthrowing another one. To rational, intelligent people, those actions sounded like the best way to promote freedom and democracy. To stop the spread of communism. To be a true, benevolent world super-power. They were wrong, and now we're hearing the same thing and doing the same thing.

2)The problem is the US is by far has the worst credibility of nearly every UN nation since the fall of the USSR.

Other nations certainly have skeletons in their closet even in 2002. But, even in 2002, our closet is a palatial walk-in filled to the brim, and we flaunt it and are trying to fill it even more.


Posted by Anthony, 7:41 PM -

Fuzzy Logic

One of the favorite anti-war arguments is that removing Hussein's regime for humanitarian reasons is hypocritical, given the History of US foreign policy.

I have two problems with this argument:

1) Fine, we're hypocritical. We made mistakes in the past, propped up lots of nasty people for misguided reasons. Realpolitik has failed and has sold out our principles.

But shouldn't governments be allowed to change their minds? Should the current administration be culpable for the mistakes of previous administrations? I would proudly wear the title of hypocrite if it helps save civilians from a brutal secret police.

2) If applied to all parties, no nation would have any credibility in the UN.

France and Russia arguing for multi-lateralism? The Russia that invaded afghanistan and most of Eastern Europe? The French with their North African misadventures & South Pacific nuclear tests?


Posted by sam, 5:30 PM -

French Fried...

Some important remarks were made yesterday:

From Putin:

"For political and economic reasons, Russia is not interested in seeing the defeat of the United States in Iraq,"

"Russia has cooperated and will continue to cooperate with the United States," Putin said. "This policy is in Russia's interest and in the interest of most of the international community. I am convinced that at the end of the day...this is also in the interest of the United States."

Joschka Fischer:

"We hope that the regime will collapse as soon as possible and that we will have no further loss of innocent lives, civilians and soldiers," Mr Fischer said in English. "We hope this war will come to an end as soon as possible."

French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin:

"The Americans made a triple mistake: First of all a moral mistake, I think ... there was an alternative to war. We could have disarmed Iraq differently," Raffarin said in an interview on France 3 television. "Also, (they made) a political mistake, because we know very well the difficulties of this region of the world," he added. "And then, there is a strategic mistake: this idea that today one country can lead the world."


Posted by sam, 5:21 PM -

Oh Boy... be afraid... the philosopher-kings in Washington are taking it further...
WASHINGTON - Rep. J.D. Hayworth, R-Ariz., is urging his U.S. House colleagues to demand removal of a Columbia University professor who last week called for an Iraqi victory over U.S. troops and said he would like to see "a million Mogadishus." "He should be fired immediately," said Hayworth, whose aides by Tuesday counted 65 signatures on a Hayworth letter to Columbia President Lee Bollinger seeking Assistant Professor Nicholas De Genova's removal. "As for academic freedom, what exactly is academic about wishing a bunch of young Americans slaughtered in battle?" Hayworth asked. (more)
Click here to read the letter Hayworth wrote to Bollinger (from Hayworth's webpage).


Posted by Timothy, 1:51 PM -

Rumsfeld: Hawk, Poet

Ahhh, the words of Rummy are poetry to my ears!


Posted by Richie Jay, 11:56 AM -

Al Jazeera: We Report, You Decide

This article opines that Al Jazeera is no more biased than CNN or Fox News Channel...simply in the other direction. See slate.com article here.


Posted by Richie Jay, 11:02 AM -

Rwanda, Dallaire

The Rwanda genocide was the greatest failure of a humanitarian foreign policy. It occurred under the watch of the west, who was either powerless or unwilling to do anything to stop it. A good run down of the issues involved can be found in this September, 2001 Atlantic Monthly article.

Today at 4pm, one of the key players in the disaster, Canadian General Romeo Dallaire will be speaking in Dartmouth's Cook auditorium. This is a man who is deeply tortured by what happened on his watch. I imagine it will be an emotionally challenging lecture.



Posted by Clint, 9:50 AM -

Wednesday, April 02, 2003


All Muslim Students To Be Deported?
Check this out. And read carefully.


Posted by Laura, 11:45 PM -

Russian newspaper thinks U.S. is only pretending to be in trouble militarily in Iraq
Waligore Sr. says it is "quite a stretch, but interesting to read a Russian rationalization" contained in this story 'A Disinformation Strategy':
In his famed book "The Art of War," Chinese general Sun Tzu wrote 2,500 years ago: "War is all deceit. If you can do something, make the enemy believe you cannot; if you are close, pretend you are far away." Last week in Iraq both sides were playing Sun Tzu to the limit: The allies faked weakness and disarray, the Iraqis faked strength and confidence.
UPDATE: OK, as a thought excercise, compare this with an seemingly unrelated post by Josh Marshall:
The question that arises is basically a political one for the Iraqis. Once they use chemicals, if they do, they will not only lose a lot of ground in the propaganda war in the Arab world and even more in Europe, they will also confirm a lot of the rationale for American action. So, for them, it must be a difficult calculation. If they have hopes of dragging this out in a guerrilla war or some urban fighting then you'd expect they wouldn't do it -- it would be counterproductive, since they believe they have some hope of eventually wearing America down and turning world opinion further against us. On the other hand, if they think they're on the verge of complete collapse -- which looks like a distinct possibility -- then they may be in 'go down in blaze of glory' mode.
Could the U.S. be playing weak so that the Iraqis do not use chemical weapons? Somehow, the idea of the U.S. being so diabolically clever....


Posted by Timothy, 11:07 PM -

Gratz v. Bollinger
Transcript here (via dartlog).


Posted by Timothy, 11:02 PM -

Old news for some of you but...
...be sure to look up H.Res.153 and S.Res.91.

you can do that at this site.
Read the legislation, investigate the voting records.
How does this effect the relationship between Church and State? Is pResident "5-4" a spiritual leader? Are we on a crusade?

for those keeping score: Kucinich spoke against it, Gephardt didn't vote, and Pelosi cast a "yea!"



Posted by Graham, 9:54 PM -

Columbia Student with dad in military questions why De Genova should be protected (!?!)
(Update: I no longer trust that the Spectator did not misquote the student, which would explain to me why the quote was inconsistent with Pratt's statements on CNN. You can see my original post in the comments section.)


Posted by Timothy, 8:52 PM -

White Guy's Fallacy
I think this should be required reading for all white men who enjoy telling women, gay people and people of color what is and is not offensive. I recently received a charming e-mail from a white male '05, entitled "not offensive," which informed me that I was flat-out wrong to criticize the Sigma Nu "Hawks and Doves" party. The gist of the argument was that there was an objective standard by which we could judge offensiveness, and I was just confused and required enlightening. The fact of the matter is that others obviously were offended, and those opinions cannot be discounted out of hand as irrational. If a white guy finds nothing offensive about a Ghetto Party, that does not make it unoffensive.

Now, Tim Waligore does make a fair argument in the comments section of my Sigma Nu post, suggesting that one must have good reason for saying something is offensive. I agree, there must be some sort of rationale. However, I would remind Tim that privileged people have a far different persepctive on issues of offensiveness simply because of a personal and general history free of discrimination and derision. Background and historical context counts for a lot, and the tendency of privileged individuals on this campus to deny that is but another reflection of the marginalization of historically oppressed groups on this campus.

Also, I would heartily suggest reading Ampersand sometime (the blog where "White Guy's Fallacy" is explained); it's the best feminist blog written by a man that I've found so far. He's got great political commentary and a plethora of excellent links to other feminist blogs.


Posted by Laura, 5:31 PM -

Remember the corporate scandals?

Here's an update:

Dennis Kozlowski: Not in Jail
Frank Quattrone: Not in Jail
Andrew Fastow: Not in Jail
Jeff Skilling: Not in Jail
Ken Lay: Not in Jail
Bernie Ebbers: Not in Jail
Scott Sullivan: Not in Jail
Jack Grubman: Not in Jail
Sandy Weil: Not in Jail
Sam Waksal: Not in Jail
Martha Stewart: Not in Jail
Peter Bacanovic: Not in Jail
John Rigas: Not in Jail
Henry Blodget: Not in Jail
Schuyler Tilney: Not in Jail
Thomas Davis: Not in Jail

Remember kids, fraud is illegal. Unless your going for real money that is. Then its "visionary" and "entreprenurial."


Posted by sam, 5:27 PM -

Welcome to the Luau
First, I'd like to welcome Sarah Morton to the blog.

That said, I would like to heartily agree with the first two comments left to her post.

I should also note that although she doesn't think "nigga" and "queer" are equivalent - ostensibly because "queer" has been reappropriated by the homosexual community - that "nigga" has also been reappropriated by the black community. Ms. Morton needs to brush up on her rap.

However, in sum, I should like to reiterate that I don't really have a problem with these sorts of stupid themes for parties. I am not one for easy offense (recall my lengthy posting near the birth of the blog on that matter). What I do have a problem with is the inconsistency with which people are addressing the issue, vis-a-vis the other "offensively" themed parties.


Posted by Jonathan, 4:34 PM -

a first post...

I wanted to comment on the "queer bar night" event (coming up on thursday, I think) that Jonathan Eisenman posted about on 3/31/03 (Luau Party in the Ghetto.)

A question... is the potentially offensive part the use of the word "queer"? (compared in the post with "nigga") Or is the names of the drinks etc. that seem to poke fun at so-called queer themes.

Personally, I don't give a damn... I think the idea here is to give glbtq people and their allies/friends a chance to hang out in an environment that isn't characterized totally by "straight" themes. Really - the only way to do that is to go with explicitly "queer" themes/words/decorations etc. (We can't name straight themes because we consider them mainstream - it's basic heterosexism, none of us can escape it.)

The danger is (as it would be if the AAm sponsored "nigga night" - disregarding the fact that I would not say that "nigga" and "queer" are equivalent terms in their usage) that the queer people who do not feel characterized/represented etc. by the word queer and the examples listed will be upset that they are/will be associated with the event. The only answer to that, I think, is that it holds groups including people of color, the glbtq community, the greek system, etc., to a standard that the "general public" isn't held to. When the college has a dance party in Fuel with a theme of "looking forward to spring" or something like that - they aren't forced to check with every Dartmouth student, staff member and facultyperson to make sure that they are, in fact, looking forward to spring, and that they feel good about the capitalization of the advertising blitz.
Are there still things that people would find disturbing about "Queer bar night"?


Posted by Sarah, 2:10 PM -

New World Order...

The Economist Intelligence Unit reports that The events leading up to the war in Iraq, and the conflict itself, represent the final nail in the coffin of the post-second world war international order. Not an organization to make claims lightly, they go on to say that:
The old order rested on three main pillars, all of them now either destroyed or badly shaken. Once the anti-communist glue that had held the allies together dissolved, the common institutions and alliances began to be gradually called into question. The concept of state sovereignty was a very early casualty, and now the institution of the UN itself--the organisational centrepiece of the old order--has been gravely undermined.

They argue that
There will be no "New Order" based on a unipolar US primacy... No one at present knows where to even begin looking for the pieces, let alone how to construct a new order.

Well, if that's the case, they're right about the no one knowing part. Perhaps they're looking to regionalism, inter-regional alliances, or the creation of regional/cultural identities (read: maybe US policy will push enemies like Iran and Iraq together). Thoughts?


Posted by Nikhil, 12:37 PM -

Saddam is the worst dictator in human history
Or so Victoria Clarke, Pentagon spokesperson, thinks. I love this Reuters quote.
Saddam has been condemned for his exceptional brutality against his own people but historians generally agree that Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler and Soviet leader Josef Stalin were responsible for killing more people than any other dictators in world history.


Posted by Clint, 10:29 AM -

Running Commentary on The Filibuster and why they should criticize Matt Continetti
The Filibuster, the Columbia Political Review's blog, was kind enough to link to us, but they have made some unsettling comments. Editor Adam Kushner says:
Filibuster writers, including me, have repeatedly denounced De Genova's statements but endorsed his right to say them. And because of the non-stop media harassment (and ensuing death threats -- I received one myself yesterday) from the likes of Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Hannity, De Genova was just too terrified to show up today. Can't say I blame him. But then again, he made his own bed.

What does Adam mean by "he made his own bed"? De Genova certainly brought outrage upon himself, but death threats? Come on people... two wrongs do not make a right! Sheesh.... I say this more hesistantly, but De Genova probably does not expect his comments to actually cause people to commit acts of deliberate sabatoge (or at least the law does not: I would think De Genova can't be arrested for incitement to violence for his comments), but De Genova seemed to have not shown up in part out of a actual death threats specifically directed at him. De Genova is the one saying things like that U.S. troops deserve violence because they are the aggressors: De Genova is in effect saying The U.S. made its own bed and we should cheer the death of troops. Should Kushner adopt something close to De Genova's logic by saying that De Genova brought this upon himself? Maybe Kushner is saying De Genova should have known this would happen, but that is not exactly an endorsement of free speech to say he made his own bed. (but FreeDartmouth bloggers: remember our conversation about Fraternities and responsibility for putting yourself in danger?)
[Update: a paragraph formerly here was moved to comments] I really appreciate the last paragraph of this Filibuster post; Sudhir Muralidhar and other bloggers are very humerous and self-aware in how The Filibuster benefits from the coverage of De Genova.

On Continetti
But what I really want take issue with and concentrate on is how Adam Kushner refers to "Filibuster friend Matt Continetti" and praises Continetti's "smart takes," including this peice in The National Review, one which distorts and reports: "Thunderous applause and whistles greeted anthropology professor Nicholas De Genova's sick desire that "a million Mogadishus" be visited on U.S. soldiers fighting in Iraq." The part in bold is utterly untrue. Don't you read the Filibuster's own links, like Newsday ("The crowd was largely silent at the remark. They loudly applauded De Genova later...") and the reactions on this National Review article. All other news reports I have seen accurately report that the Mogadishu comments were met with mostly silence. Even Fox News has said so!

Of course, I would also disagree with Fox News when it said this: "DiGenova (ph) also declared, to thunderous applause, 'If we really believe that this war is criminal, then we have to believe in the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of the U.S. war machine."
We can quibble over how to characterize the 'loudness' of the clapping for De Genova when he called for the U.S. war machine to be defeated. Unlike some news reports, I do not think is was 'thunderous' applause, but that word is arguably subjective in the sense that it is not a flat-out, unmistakeable lie like Continetti's; I do not think it is fair to use it because later professors made comments against De Genova's sentiments that drew louder applause (and we saw real cheering and long clapping for Prof. Fields). I did not hear any cheers for De Genova and certainly no loud cheers at any time during his speech. But who am I going to believe: my own ears or news reports that are often second-hand? You guys rightly noted that Sullivan was good enough enough to post my account, but Continetti (I hope) was at the teach-in and does not have any excuse for perpetuating distortions which others may rely on. So for Filibuster bloggers who were at the event: you know what is true or not true in the media reports. You are 'De Genova Central'. Will you correct this stuff or at least abate the praise for that hack Continetti?

Update: Filibuster blogger Julia Fuma had said: "Continetti engages in a very basic example of shoddy writing, namely taking a few example from a piece out of context and using it to discredit the entire thing...I wish Continetti's description would have been taken with more of a grain of salt." I linked to that in my post criticizing Continetti's distortion of Jack Snyder's views here. In the issue there, I was more 'charitable' to Continetti and allowed that he may not dishonest, but allow himself to be dishonestly edited.

P.S. For those who think I never associate with conservatives who I think distort things in print, or wrongly think am not friends with conservatives, I must point you sheepishly to my comments and a link in "The Best Merger Since AOLTimeWarner!" which is two or three posts below (link blogdozed). But that does not stop me from making public criticism in national magazines and in campus publications.

P.P.S. Filibuster people: still love you, you should see my nitpicking of The Daily Spectator, a proper journalistic daily publication (see "Columbia Spectator covers its butt," about 10 posts down). And or course, this post is directed mostly at Adam Kushner's comments, not every blog poster. I certainly would not want to be held to everything said by my fellow bloggers (bless their bleeding hearts) at FreeDartmouth.


Posted by Timothy, 2:15 AM -

Howard Dean event
Ok, so I get this note that 5 columbia students are needed to help out a Howard Dean event in the Manhattan. But when we get the place, we see it is being held in this bar with the word 'mod' in its name. I had expected some campaigning event, but this looked like a yuppie fundraiser. Living is grad school land, I was not used to such hip clothing and cool 'messed-up' hair-cuts. They let us in without paying the $100 and for the first time I got to see Dean speak, shake his hand and ask him some questions. I had three reactions to Dean: wow, can this man speak; wow, this man is short; and wow, can he talk straight in answering questions.
P.S. The south could be rough going though; As Dean left, I did get to tell that he should say, "LIKE Paul Wellstone said..." rather than "AS Paul Wellstone said, I'm Howard Dean, an I'm here..." He got it and wen 'ah!' Be on the lookout to see if the Dean campaign adopts that oh so crucial word change.
Dean began with his line "As Paul Wellstone said: I'm Howard Dean and I here to represent the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party!" (I thought to myself... no one but Dean would say 'I'm Howard Dean!' Hmm... I assumed Dean was trying to placate critics who said he was using Wellstone's line without crediting him.)
Dean said some interesting things during the speech: he said Harry Truman was "not exactly a big liberal" yet he still called for universal health care. He claimed "If you want to have social justice, you have to have a balanced budget. Here's why." His explanations seemed more to have to do with debt than the budget. He argued that tax cuts during the good times made it so school funding and services would have to be cut during a downturn, the very time when people need them most. It seems to me that this is not, however, an argument for having a balanced budget during a downturn. It is an argument for using extra tax revenues to reduce our debt so we can afford to deficit spend during a downturn. Dean also made the argument against tax cuts during a recession, saying that rich people were not going to change their spending habits. (I only realized later that he didn't mention the conservative argument that tax cuts for the rich are meant to lead to changes in investment and saving. Clever of him to frame it that way.) He is right-on when he said he wanted to get rid of most of Bush's tax cut. (I wonder which specific part he wants to keep?)

Dean said "I did not support the President on Iraq and I'm not ashamed [of that]. I do support the troops.... We are not obligated to support the President's policy because this is not Iraq. This is the United States! Dissent is patriotic." Dean said that in order to talk about homeland security we had to talk about oil: "We've got to stop being dependent on foreign countries in the middle east for... oil."
Dean also had strong words against two things in Bush's state of the union. The first was on his promise on HIV/AIDS: Dean noted that the administration had pushed to eliminate references to 'condoms' in U.N. work to stop AIDS. Dean said that as an M.D., he could tell us "you don't fight HIV/AIDS if you are afraid to talk about condoms." (I think he even said this was frankly disgusting. Somewhere in the speech, maybe around here, he dissed fundamentalist preachers).
The other thing Dean was passionate about Bush's use of the word 'quota' to describe Michigan's affirmative action policy. Dean called 'quota' a "race loaded word" designed to invoke in poor white people a sense they were going to lose their job. Dean did not mince words: "We have to have affirmative action in this country and we've got to stand up and say so..." (He had this tale of how, when he was Governor, his chief of staff was a women. Chiefs of Staffs do the hiring, and Dean said the "office was a matriarchy." Dean said that when a position in the policy office opened up, Dean suggested that maybe a male could be found to help correct the gender imbalance. Dean says the Chief of Staff sort of sighed and ernestly said: "It's really hard to find a qualified male." Dean said the lesson from this was that we all kind of tend to hire people like ourselves because we are comfortable having people who are like us around. He told a version of affirmative action in his state that worked to counteract that-- actually it was merely an effort to ensure that qualified women lawyers were encouraged to apply to a committee that reviewed and suggested possible judge nominations-- a committee of eminent lawyers who were mostly men.)
Dean said, if nothing else, he wanted to restore a sense of community in seeking the nomination and if he were to become President. He said we should not allow children to go hungry 25 blocks away from here, and that we should be concerned and responsible for each other. We should not just care about educated our children, but all of our children.
He had an interesting twist on the American ideal being about inclusion: "That is what the essence of the America has always been to the rest of the world." Interestingly, it seems to me that he was doing something slightly different by implying that inclusion also meant social and economic justice, not just toleration and a chance to make it. He ended with saying 'I want our country back': "I want to be proud to be an American!" I think he's really encapsilating the feelings of the electorate (in the primaries at least).

When I shook his hand I told him I worried that if he won the nomination but lost the election, that might hurt the chances of 'the Democratic wing' of the Democratic party in 2008. He told me he had thought about that and said he thought it was going to be a close election and it was important to change the discourse for '08. The Columbia student with me was impressed how he answered the answer. I was too. I'll tell you, he did a great job of calming my fear about this and I suppose I couldn't have asked a better person about it! I did not ask him whether this might another situation like McGovern, though. But honestly, I'm thinking now that if we cannot start standing up for more 'progressive' positions now, I don't know when it will happen Dean doesn't call himself a progressive perhaps because of the third party in Vermont; but he has an admirable willingness to use rhetoric they love while still being sensible and moderate. It's a nice combination. Bill Bradley had some of that strange mix, but he was aloof and not the best campaigner. Dean is willing to fight. (But if only he had some of Bradley's height!) I asked him whether he thought he had the best chance of any of the other candidates of beating Bush and whether standing on principle and changing the discourse might make up for having slightly less better odds. He said he thought that standing on principle was the best way to beat Bush and noted that the other four guys running from Congress had voted for the war resolution and the so-called 'leave no child behind' act. I also asked him how much he thought he might pick up in the South and rural areas from his position on guns versus how much he thought he might lose because of his support for civil unions. Dean told me that the West was libertarian: they would vote against you if you supported gun control, but they didn't much care that much about people's lives (he mentioned states like Montana: he doesn't expect to win in Utah).


Posted by Timothy, 12:28 AM -

Tuesday, April 01, 2003


The Best Merger Since AOLTimeWarner!
Heh. Andrew Grossman could always write better propaganda than I could! Notice how they get all the positions? Dan is telling me not the sign the dotted line without checking out the Review's accounting first.

Some background: I conceived of the idea of starting a liberal newspaper winter term in Hanover after working on the Bill Bradley campaign: Aly Rahim can attest to us talking about it then. While living in D.C. with Andrew Grossman (yes, that part is true: Grossman had me smoke my first cigarette, and my lungs thank him!), I had some important planning sessions with Dan Pollock and Michelle Chui at a bar called the Common Share. (That may ring a bell if you look on the back page of the Free Press: the 'common share' section was originally tenatively slotted to be called 'Left in the Dust' but the Review sent spies to our second meeting and published a little, silly, and snide week in review piece on it). Grossman, by the way, suggested several times that the paper should called 'The Pinko' and be printed on Financial-Times like paper. He seemed to really like that idea. But for some reason, the name 'Dartmouth Free Press' popped into my head and that stuck. Grossman also did suggest at one dinner that summer that he was thinking of having the Review start printing socialist material alongside the traditional fare and encouraged me to join up. We had an extended discussion, but the way he was promising to alter my mind never conquered my skepticism of the dubieus idea!


Posted by Timothy, 10:54 PM -

First post
First, thanks to Jared for inviting me to be a part of Free Dartmouth. I'm really enjoying the discussion on this blog.

Village Voice sage Nat Hentoff makes the liberal case for war.


Posted by sam, 9:03 PM -

A Columbia student whose father is a soldier in Iraq speaks on CNN
ZAHN: Let me put up on the screen a statement of your college professor and how he responded to this controversy. He said -- quote -- "I am shocked that someone would make such statements, because of the university's tradition of academic freedom. I normally don't comment about statements made by faculty members. However, this one crosses the line, and I really feel the need to say something. I'm especially saddened for the families of those whose lives
are at risk. Was that enough from the president?
PRATT: I'm pleased that he actually said something, but, to me, that's not enough.
ZAHN: What would be enough?
PRATT: He needs to be sent somewhere. He needs to get out of Columbia University, but there's no need for him to be
teaching Columbia's kids anymore. I mean, there is a lot of money being paid to take those classes by him, and there's
no reason why he should be teaching any kids at Columbia University.

ZAHN: I know you've heard from folks on campus who are very much opposed to the war, and they don't necessarily view
themselves as anti-soldier. Do you buy that? Do you think it's possible to be committed to the troops and, at the
same time, be against this war?
PRATT: I actually do think that's possible, to be ideologically against the war, but still support the troops, because that's the exact antithesis of this professor, is wishing the best for the United States troops servicemen and women, and you can still be antiwar and still support the troops, but this guy has crossed the line.
ZAHN: That's exactly what the president of your college had to say as well.
Billy Pratt, thank you for spending a little time with us this morning. Good luck to you.
PRATT: I appreciate it.
ZAHN: have you heard from your dad at all?
PRATT: Yes, he actually called me this morning.
ZAHN: Did he know anything about these remarks?
PRATT: Yes, he did.
ZAHN: And what did he say?
PRATT: He says a lot of people out there sickened by it,
but proud to be in the profession that grants him the right
to make those remarks
.
ZAHN: That's exactly what I said he said?
PRATT: Yes.
ZAHN: Wow. Billy Pratt, thanks again.
Update: Jared asks in comments why I'm posting this without comment. If I haven't made clear (and I guess I haven't) I do not at all think De Genova should be fired, and I posted this partly to show that some people do have these silly (and silencing) ideas, and Pratt expresses them pretty incoherently. I think people need know where to draw the line at reactions to comments that are disgusting, and I posted this to show that some people are not. Also interesting to me is Zahn's amazement at and apparent agreement with Pratt saying that his father, the soldier, GRANTS De Genova the right to say what he wants. BULLSHIT! Pratt could have more thoughtfully said that soldiers protect rights, or fight for the protection of rights, or allow the possibility of the existence of these rights, or some such thing. But rights are not GRANTED by the military.


Posted by Timothy, 8:10 PM -

POWs and Cable Networks
Apparently Al Jazeera reporters know better than Aaron Brown what is on his own network. (via Cal Pundit)


Posted by Timothy, 7:39 PM -

No muslims need apply
This article says that Indian newspapers have carried an ad for jobs on a U.S. base in Kuwait, restricted to "non-Muslims only":
The US base "urgently requires" lift operators, store keepers, clerks, typists, security guards and drivers. The advertisement insists that the applicants, besides being non-Muslims, should speak English and be below 35. The advertisement was issued by Indian head-hunters Rehman Enterprises and Continental Mercantile. Executives of these firms said they were representing a Kuwaiti company, Marafi, which has a "maintenance contract" with the US army. "The Americans are strict that we should only process applications sent in by non-Muslims," Rehman Enterprises' head Abdul Rehman told the Hindustan Times on Wednesday."What to do? They probably don't want to take chances with Muslims," said Continental Mercantile's manager in Kochi TS Jairaj.


Posted by Timothy, 7:04 PM -

Darn!
We've been down for almost a whole day because of some hardware problems in Blogger-land. You may commence whatever you were thinking now.


Posted by Jared, 4:14 PM -

Columbia Spectator covers its butt
De Genova says in a letter to the Columbia Spectator: "Spectator, now for the second time in less than a year, has succeeded to quote me in a remarkably decontextualized and inflammatory manner." I have to note, if only because my interest in the quality of college dailies, that it seems that this sentence written by Spectator reporter Margaret Hunt Gram is either dishonest or bad reporting:
Once before in his time at Columbia has De Genova incited critics by making political statements that he says were taken out of context. During a pro-Palestinian sit-in in the April of last year, he stated at an open microphone, "The heritage of the victims of the Holocaust belongs to the Palestinian people. The state of Israel has no legitimate claim to the heritage of the Holocaust. The heritage of the oppressed belongs to the oppressed--not the oppressor."
Gram does not mention the reason De Genova complained about being taken out of context in this earlier incident: the original Spectator article quoting De Genova did not include the last sentence of his comments. Does this matter for context? The Spectator must think so: it was apparently embarrassed about their earlier, shorter quote of De Genova enough to think it was needed for context this time around. Otherwise, why (aside from incompetance) would the Spectator have added the last part of the quote back in without mentioning that its original absence was the source of De Genova's complaint about the lack of context? That earlier letter to the editor by De Genova was titled "Professor Corrects Misquote in Palestinian Protest Article," but you will not learn that from Gram's reporting, which is dishonest on the Spectator's own terms.

By the way, having been present at De Genova's speech at the teach-in last week, I do not think he has anything to complain about in that instance. He did not make any larger argument, but basically just listed the past history of U.S. imperialism and then made his inflammatory comments. I do not think De Genova can point to a sentence, as he thought he could the first time, that he thinks would have put his 'Mogadishu' statement and other inflammatory rhetoric in context (should the Spectator have included the entire history of U.S. imperialism in its recent article?).

Aside from confirming my bias against campus daily papers, does this matter? Well, it might leave readers of the Spectator confused as to the source of De Genova's complaints about the earlier incident (and perhaps wrongly feeds in De Genova a sense that he was wronged again). Here's what Andrew Sullivan says: "And notice also from this piece de Genova's explanation: these remarks were taken 'out of context.' In what context would they be ok?"


Posted by Timothy, 12:29 AM -

Monday, March 31, 2003


And now for something completely different
"Three men have died trying to retrieve a mobile phone from a pit latrine in the Kenyan town of Mombasa." - BBC


Posted by Timothy, 11:45 PM -

De Genova and Limbaugh make the same point
Rush Limbaugh talks about De Genova's comments at the anti-war teach-in: "Folks, I'm telling you, we don't need to be worried about what these people are saying. We want more of it. This is not going to persuade anyone. This is extreme kookville." I'll say it this once: Rush is right. The right does want more of this. Columbia Prof. Jean Cohen told the Spectator: "This kind of thing is reprehensible. If he were paid by the right to do this, it could not have been more effective." I think De Genova knew what he was doing, expected the publicity, and did not care about the effect this would have on other speakers. Anti-war folks have been attacked generally, and those of you who have problems with U.S. patriotism will even have people use the fact of De Genova's extreme rhetoric to discredit radical but reasoned views. Jean Cohen is suspicious of De Genova: "He and the press have hijacked this teach-in, and I'm very, very angry about it... it was an utterly irresponsible thing to do. And it's not innocent... this was a planned undermining of this teach-in." Remember: De Genova and Rush are on the same side here. Both want you to think their loud rhetoric are the only alternatives. (Or at least De Genova does not care if this is what occurs.)


Posted by Timothy, 11:25 PM -

More De Genova Links
Dan Drezner kindly links to us. He has a lot on De Genova, including Prof. Jean Cohen's reaction. Instapundit has declared The Filibuster 'De Genova Central', and they do have the goods, quoting Prof. Alan Brinkley as saying in class that De Genova's comments were "Abhorrent, immoral, a disgrace to intellectual life and to the University."


Posted by Timothy, 11:00 PM -

Becoming an Ally: White Women and Race
6PM. Tuesday Night. 213 Silsby.
Come if you've ever wondered what white women have to do with racism. Come if you've wondered what white women can do about racism. Come if you're an experienced ally or if you're not sure what racism is.
You're welcome regardless of race or gender if you think you might benefit from a discussion of race focused on the perspective of white women. We'll meet every Tuesday for the rest of the term, but it's important that you come to the first meeting.
Email SarahM@dartmouth.edu (or me) with any questions.


Posted by Laura, 10:11 PM -

Professor and student disagreement with Nick De Genova's comments during the anti-war teach-in event
De Genova's speech (see my notes in the post below) ended with a call for the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of the U.S. war machine. Students hesitated before clapping, but a substantial number, I'd guess about a quarter of the room, did clap. But I did not hear any students cheer or boo. (See my post here, based on a similar letter I wrote to Andrew Sullivan). No one clapped—and no one booed—De Genova's comments about Mogadishu. I took notes on almost every speech throughout the entire six hours of the Columbia Anti-war teach-in, and De Genova's comments were not at all similar to the other speakers. My original plan was to blog on all the speeches, but press attention has wrongly focused almost exclusively on De Genova, as if his comments were representative. De Genova's name was not on the program, as he was a last minute substitution for a speaker who could not make it. In fact, several professors repudiated De Genova's sentiments and comments in the their speeches at the Columbia Anti-war Teach-in, and they received louder applause from the audience for doing so and I will detail them here.

Bruce Robbins, the speaker who immediately followed De Genova, said: "I differ from Nick [De Genova], the previous speaker. There would be some version of patriotism [that would be acceptable]." The applause from the audience for his criticism of De Genova was clearly louder than the clapping De Genova received only at the end of his speech, when talking about the defeat of the U.S. war machine.

Barbara Fields was the next speaker (or the speaker after next, if you count the comments of an M.C.). Fields ended her speech with a quote saying: My country right or wrong... when right to be kept right, when wrong to set right. Fields concluded by saying that 'those of us who owe our allegiance to the aggressor in this war must be patriotic enough to set our country right.' There were then loud cheers from the audience, and Fields waved and smiled from her seat as the applause went on for a long time. She did not mention De Genova, but I think it is clear that the sustained applause and cheers for Fields show that many more students agreed with her sentiments about patriotism than they did with De Genova's. (To be fair, Fields did help win the crowd over near the beginning of her speech with this joke: "Tom Ridge has faith-based civil defense, also known as praise the lord and pass the duct tape.")

Later, Todd Gitlin began his speech by saying "Fellow citizens, and I would like to say patriots..." Gitlin also said that rather than just protesting, we need to work to defeat George W. Bush in 2004. He then said we should not nourish a third party, resulting in claps and some loud boos from the crowd. [Many newspaper accounts noted that 'the audience' did not boo De Genova's call for more Mogadishus, and contrasted this with how 'the audience' did boo Gitlin for implicitly dissing the Greens. But the audience was not monolithic. I have no problem saying that Greens are typically not adept at making good political distinctions; after all, they apparently bought Nader's line that there was not any difference between Gore and Bush.]

Finally, Eric Foner, one of the organizers of the event, began his speech near in the last hour of the event by saying that he wanted to express some disagreement with the idea that if you are an American patriot, you support imperialism, white supremacy, etc. Foner said he refused to cede the definition of patriotism to George W. Bush; the patriot is a person who is never satisfied with his country, and he mentioned, among others, figures like Martin Luther King and Frederick Douglas.

These are the comments that I found in my notes of Professors repudiating De Genova's sentiments at the teach-in itself. Organizers like Prof. Foner and Prof. Cohen repudiated De Genova in even stronger terms in newspaper interviews. Imagine if the speaker De Genova replaced had not gotten sick: the press coverage, if there was any, would have been vastly different, and rightly so. That suggests to me that one speaker's comments should not define this event.


Posted by Timothy, 8:36 PM -

My notes from De Genova's speech at the Columbia Anti-War Teach-In
De Genova began his speech by listing a long history of abuses and military interventions in the history of the United States, beginning with the genocide of the indigenous peoples of North America, slavery raids on the African continent, the Mexican War, the Spanish-American War in 1898. He noted that the U.S. has intervened in Latin America on average every few years. After World War I and II, the U.S. had an impressive global hegemony. He mentioned Korea, and how the U.S. inherited a colonial war in Vietnam. From what I remember and what appears in my notes, after simply listing these things, he said this history of invasions and warfare has a name and that name is imperialism. He then made a comment about something [imperialism?] being the bedrock of white supremacy in the U.S. De Genova noted the war in Vietnam was ended simply because of protesters; the most important factor was the incessant determination of the Vietnamese people to resist. He continued, briefly talking about more U.S. military interventions: 1983 in Grenada, Nicaragua, 1989 in Panama; by 1991 the Vietnam Syndrome was over.
Degenova then said that "...peace is not patriotic; peace is subversive." [On my interpretation of these comments when they were spoken, De Genova was not at all saying that those who want peace are bad. He was saying that calls for peace were not patriotic, and calls for peace and working for peace was subversive of U.S. patriotism, which he views as inseparable from white supremacy and imperialism. He then said something I did not quite get in my notes about a new world in which the U.S. would have no place and a comment about the U.S. flag being an emblem (of imperialism, I assume).]
De Genova said the true heroes will be the ones who find ways to defeat the U.S. He specifically mentioned that some will roll grenades. Soon after, he said: "I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus. May this become a real Vietnam." He called for the Iraqi people to carry out their own liberation. He said (I'm paraphrasing): I believe in self-determination for the Iraqi people, and they this may take a very long time. If we really believe... that this war is illegal, if we really believe... that this war is unjust, the one consistent conclusion... [is that] we have to believe in the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of U.S. war machine.

See De Genova's letter to the editor in the Columbia Spectator complaining his comments were taken out of context:
To the Editor:
Spectator, now for the second time in less than a year, has succeeded to quote me in a remarkably decontextualized and inflammatory manner. In Margaret Hunt Gram's report on the faculty teach-in against the war in Iraq (March 27, 2003), I am quoted as wishing for a million Mogadishus but with no indication whatsoever of the perspective that framed that remark. It is hardly surprising, therefore, that your Staff Editorial in the same issue, denouncing the teach-in for "dogmatism," situates me in particular as the premier example of an academic "launching tirades against anything and everything American."
In my brief presentation, I outlined a long history of U.S. invasions, wars of conquest, military occupations, and colonization in order to establish that imperialism and white supremacy have been constitutive of U.S. nation-state formation and U.S. nationalism. In that context, I stressed the necessity of repudiating all forms of U.S. patriotism. I also emphasized that the disproportionate majority of U.S. troops come from racially subordinated and working-class backgrounds and are in the military largely as a consequence of a treacherous lack of prospects for a decent life. Nonetheless, I emphasized that U.S. troops are indeed confronted with a choice--to perpetrate this war against the Iraqi people or to refuse to fight and contribute toward the defeat of the U.S. war machine.
I also affirmed that Iraqi liberation can only be effected by the Iraqi people themselves, both by resisting and defeating the U.S. invasion as well as overthrowing a regime whose brutality was long sustained by none other than the U.S. Such an anti-colonial struggle for self-determination might involve a million Mogadishus now but would ultimately have to become something more like another Vietnam. Vietnam was a stunning defeat for U.S. imperialism; as such, it was also a victory for the cause of human self-determination.
Is this a tirade against "anything and everything American"? Far from it. First, I hasten to remind you that "American" refers to all of the Americas, not merely to the United States, as U.S. imperial chauvinism would have it. More importantly, my rejection of U.S. nationalism is an appeal to liberate our own political imaginations such that we might usher in a radically different world in which we will not remain the prisoners of U.S. global domination.
Nicholas De Genova
March 27, 2003
The author is an assistant professor of anthropology and latina/o studies




Posted by Timothy, 8:33 PM -

Nationalism at work
ABC reports that buses from Jordan to Iraq are full:
Most of those heading to Baghdad are of fighting age, with every intention of joining the military. At a roadside restaurant near the border, they sing defiantly about what a fine thing it would be to be martyred in their homeland.
Sort of throws a bit of cold water on the idea that the only reason the Iraqis are fighting is because they fear Saddam more than the invasion forces.
Again, courtesy of John Marshall, whose pic looks a little bit like a friend of ours'.


Posted by Clint, 6:02 PM -

This is the budget version
You know, the war that is costing us at least 76 billion? And it ain't working--at least that's the impression I got from this article by Sy Hersh.
Coursey of Josh Marshall at TPM.


Posted by Clint, 5:50 PM -

Unilateralism revisited

Is George Bush really more unilateral than Bill Clinton was? Fred Hiatt compares the two in his latest Washington Post article. Here's the bulk of the evidence:

It is true that Vice President Al Gore flew to Japan to take part in the final, grueling negotiations on the Kyoto Protocol on global warming and that he was much applauded for taking such a political risk. It is true that Gore signed on to the treaty, which committed the United States to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions to below 1990 levels by the year 2012, even as India and China assumed no commitments whatever.

But Gore didn't really mean it, he explained when he returned to Washington. The administration did not intend to submit the treaty for Senate ratification. Even as it signed the document one year later, it called it a "work in progress"; the signing, The Post explained at the time, was "a largely symbolic act." Beyond promising that new technologies would reduce greenhouse gas emissions without causing any economic pain, the administration never put forward a plan to reach Kyoto targets.

When it came to the International Criminal Court, Clinton was as worried as Bush about exposing American soldiers to international jurisprudence. He was dissatisfied with concessions his negotiators extracted in the final treaty; he complained about its "significant flaws." But again he signed it anyway -- to "reaffirm our strong support for international accountability," he said. Then he said he wouldn't submit the treaty for Senate ratification and would recommend that Bush not do so either.

Clinton was committed to the ABM Treaty with Russia, the primary purpose of which was to outlaw national missile defense. But Clinton also spent much of the last two years of his presidency unsuccessfully trying to persuade the Russians to redefine the treaty precisely to permit national missile defense. "One way or another," Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, told his Russian counterpart, according to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott, "NMD was almost certain to proceed."
Well, first things first, if anyone has a different take on the Clinton presidency, the floor is yours. Fox News folks like myself just have such a hard time checking our facts. Splendid. Now secondly, bring on the opinions. Do meaningless handshakes and headnods really make for better diplomacy? Plenty of pundits have argued that Bush has failed as a diplomat... junking Kyoto, scrapping the ICC, feeding the ABM to the dolphins, etc. etc. Would a Clinton approach really be that much better? Hiatt continues:

But it's also fair to ask whether Clinton's fudges would not sooner or later have proved untenable. It wasn't for lack of sincere diplomacy that Clinton failed to persuade Russia to bless U.S. national missile defense, or Europe to modify Kyoto or the ICC. Nor did he manage to win U.N. approval for U.S. military operations in Iraq and Kosovo.

In each case, the refusals had to do with foreign fears of America's unique place in the world, with resentment of its status as lone superpower, unrivaled in military and economic might. Clinton was more eager than Bush to assuage that resentment, but he was hardly more willing to shackle America's economy or cede judicial control over its troops abroad to do so. To misremember the history now understates the challenge America faces in the world, especially after Iraq, no matter who is president.
And it might be wise for Democrats to remember that foreign policy problems go far beyond Bush.


Posted by Brad Plumer, 4:44 PM -

Best Person of The Week
A new FD tradition, perhaps, this one goes to Mengchao (Mindy) Yu, for her impassioned criticism of the Sigma Nu "Hawks and Doves" party, a lame attempt to find humor in a tragic situation. And of course, anyone whom a Dartlogger attempts to subject to public humiliation and scorn is most likely doing something right. What I really don't get about this situation is how the Dartloggers idolize the military and pay blind homage to American troops, and then find a party belittling the war and its consequences terribly funny. But then again, hypocrisy isn't exactly rare among campus rightwingers.


Posted by Laura, 2:49 PM -

Luau Party in the Ghetto
I'm going to scoop the Reviewers on this one. I just saw this bulletin:
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There was backlash because Sigma Nu had a party invitation exhorting people to "Come as your favorite war protester or bomb-loving patriot!" Now, speaking as someone who is offended by neither the Sigma Nu invitation (other than the fact I didn't receive it - thanks Vijay) nor this "QuEER bAr NiGHt" (although I don't like the stupid alternating caps), I question the "offensiveness" of such an event vis-a-vis the Luau Party or other such events. Is it because the GSA is sponsoring it that it is defused of all offensiveness? Does the GSA claim to represent the feelings of all homosexuals on campus? This seems like the AAm sponsoring an event, with the backing of COSO, called "Nigga Night." Personally I think all of these things are ridiculous, and if any of these organizations did them (that is, the ones that haven't been done), I wouldn't have a problem with it. However, I would put dollars to donuts that there would be uproar among some segments of the campus, perhaps some that are represented by this very blog. Having offered this Gargian post, I now ask - thoughts?


Posted by Jonathan, 2:47 PM -

Bringing It Back Home
There's a Greens poster that I've seen on campus bulletin boards recently, advertising their next meeting. It says that, unlike Bush, they hope to 1) speak English and 2) talk domestic issues. I think that's good advice for FreeDartmouth as well. Now, I'm not going to point fingers regarding my fellow blogger's abilities to communicate in English. God knows I've had my own difficulties with that...But, I am going to ask that we focus on things back home a little bit more. The American Prospect's TAPPED (check out "The Other Front Page" posts) is doing a good job of posting about domestic issues that are being ignored in the fervor over the war, and their latest issue features a piece describing the latest covert machinations of the Bush administration while the mainstream media is looking the other way.

Here are a few shockers that people aren't noticing: cutting veteran's benefits (painfully obvious irony), cutting education spending with the help of an over-eager Republican House, and $93 billion cuts in Medicaid. There are also plenty of conservative judges Bush is trying to push through Congress right now; there's Patricia Owen, for instance, a right-wing justice who Bush has nominated to the federal appeals court in New Orleans.

In short, there's plenty to talk about besides war gossip; that's what our conservative administration and media want us to forget.


Posted by Laura, 2:31 PM -

This is a bad idea.
The American military has been asking the Israeli army for advice on fighting inside cities, and studying fighting in the West Bank city of Jenin last April...The American military has been asking the Israeli army for advice on fighting inside cities, and studying fighting in the West Bank city of Jenin last April. ... Using bulldozers, the Israeli army demolished an entire neighbourhood – home to 800 Palestinian families – reducing it to dust and rubble.
Jenin as a template? What a dumb idea--like we need to give the Arab world any more ammo that the US always acts as a wing of Israel--or vise versa. Via The Independent, source for all things Jenin including, at the time of the battle, massively inacurate reports.


Posted by Clint, 11:58 AM -

Freedom of the Press
The Washington Post is reporting that NBC sacked in-Baghdad correspondent after he gave an interview to Iraqi TV. The interview itself made news, briefly, a few days ago, and NBC reasserted Arnett's right to make his statements. Today, they canned him. Wonder what sort of coercion brought that? Apparently Arnett was also once fired from CNN, says the article, for reporting that the US used Sarin in Laos in the 1970s. What the article doesn't say is whether or not Arnett had a reason for reporting so - i.e., it was true. Was it? Does anyone know how this played out?


Posted by Jonathan, 9:25 AM -

Fairly Unbalanced
Julian Sanchez links to this article about Fox News using its news ticker in New York to taunt protesters:
Fox News had its own response to the demonstrators. The news ticker rimming Fox's headquarters on Sixth Avenue wasn't carrying war updates as the protest began. Instead, it poked fun at the demonstrators, chiding them. "War protester auditions here today ... thanks for coming!" read one message. "Who won your right to show up here today?" another questioned. "Protesters or soldiers?" Said a third: "How do you keep a war protester in suspense? Ignore them." Still another read: "Attention protesters: the Michael Moore Fan Club meets Thursday at a phone booth at Sixth Avenue and 50th Street" - a reference to the film maker who denounced the war while accepting an Oscar on Sunday night for his documentary "Bowling for Columbine." The protesters said Fox's sentiments only proved their point: that media coverage, in particular among the television networks, is so biased as to be unbelievable.

However, Sanchez wrongly says: "I realize that nobody ever took the 'fair and balanced' line to be anything but a joke—and a pretty preposterous one at that..." My roommate tells me some of his relatives in the Midwest DO believe that Fox News is 'fair and balanced' and that O'Reilly is just as objective as Walter Cronkite. Even if no one you know believes in Fox News' hypocrisy, do not forget that they keep the marketing slogan for a reason: people can and do delude themselves into thinking they really are getting the news straight and that Fox News is merely 'correcting' for liberal bias on the other networks. (link here)


Posted by Timothy, 1:48 AM -

Here's Some Dishonest Right-Wing Bullspit about Columbia's reaction to De Genova's comments
Read the New York Post editorial "jokingly" wishing for another Kent State. The Post editorial says:
Columbia, of course, couldn't summon the courage even to address what its hireling had said - let alone condemn it.... But isn't De Genova himself a representative of Columbia University? He's on the faculty. Along with a gaggle of Columbia-based lefty lugnuts, he was speaking Thursday night as a professor, on university property, largely to university students - when he called down disaster on thousands of brave young Americans.
The idiotic Murdochites claim that the statements of one Professor represent the views of Columbia. What about the statements of two Columbia Professors (including an organizer of the event) who publically repudiated some of De Genova's sentiments? Do they also simultaneously represent the views of Columbia? And those dishonest writers who give conservatives a bad name do not even mention President Bollinger's reaction. If The New York Post will consider De Genova and every other untenured professor a representative of Columbia, cannot it extend that courtesy to the President of Columbia?! Sheesh. This was printed in The New York Times (which I'm sure The Post editors did not read, and would have changed their editorial had they just known... yeah right):
"Under well-established principles of the First Amendment, this is within a person's right to free speech," Lee C. Bollinger, the president of Columbia, said in an interview. "Not for a second, however, does that insulate it from criticism. I am shocked that someone would make such statements. I am especially saddened for the families of those whose lives are now at risk." ..."Professor De Genova's speech did not represent the views of the organizers," said Eric Foner, a history professor who was one of the teach-in's organizers. "I personally found it quite reprehensible. The antiwar movement does not desire the death of American soldiers. We do not accept his view of what it means to be a patriot. I began my talk, which came later, by repudiating his definition of patriotism, saying the teach-in was a patriotic act, that I believe patriots are those who seek to improve their country."


Posted by Timothy, 1:18 AM -

Many Small Errors
1British soldiers injured when an American aircraft attacked their convoy, killing one of their comrades, hit out angrily at the "cowboy" pilot today.

2Faced with stronger than expected opposition from Iraqi soldiers, setbacks such as friendly fire and civilian deaths, and growing unrest in the Arab world, the chief architects of the invasion have been forced to defend their plans. The US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, who has been criticised over his influence on a war plan that involves far fewer troops than the number used in the 1991 Gulf war, flatly denied reports that he rejected advice from Pentagon planners for substantially more men and armour.

3Public support for the war in Iraq has fallen for the first time since the conflict began, according to a poll out today... The slight fall in support for the war was mirrored by a decline in those thinking the conflict was going well for the allies.

4British commandos fighting paramilitary forces in the southeast corner of Basra claimed they had captured an Iraqi general, but defence officials in Britain later denied the claim.

There's a whole bunch mroe, all on The Guardian's Special Iraq Report which just lists events as they come in.


Posted by Nikhil, 1:07 AM -

Sunday, March 30, 2003


Spies Like Us
What are the qualifications for the Special Agent position?
To qualify for training as a Special Agent, an individual must be a US citizen, or a citizen of the Northern Mariana Islands, and have reached his/her 23rd but not 37th birthday. All candidates must possess a valid driver's license and must pass a polygraph examination, a drug test, and a color vision test. Other requirements include uncorrected vision not worse than 20/200 (Snellen) and corrected 20/20 in one eye and not worse than 20/40 in the other eye. Applicants must possess a four-year degree from a college or university accredited by one of the regional or national institutional associations recognized by the United States Secretary of Education.


Does anyone know exactly why it is that to be a Special Agent in the FBI, one cannot be a citizen of anywhere other than the United States or the Northern Mariana Islands? I welcome responses to this query.


Posted by Jonathan, 9:48 PM -

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Posted by Clint, 7:56 PM -

AWOL Dolphin
Takoma [the mine disarming dolphin] has now been missing for 48 hours and the solitary figure of Petty Officer Whitaker [his chief handler] could be seen yesterday patting the water, calling his name and offering his favourite fish, but there was no response.
Implicit in this Times of London story is that at least one member of the second smartest species has decided that this war isn't worth dying for.


Posted by Clint, 7:52 PM -

99 Red Balloons
But a German engineer who said he helped design a shelter under one of Mr. Hussein's palaces in Baghdad said he was skeptical that the weapons would destroy the bunkers.

The engineer, Karl Esser, told The Associated Press in Berlin that the structure he helped build had a ceiling more than two yards and that it could probably be penetrated only with a direct hit by a small atomic bomb.
- The New York Times

Don't give them any ideas.

That said, I saw some German bunkers in Normandy that must've had cement roofs at least 4 feet thick, and there were chunks of them strewn out of the holes where our WWII era bombs fell. It will be interesting to see how our bombs perform against this bunker. Also interesting in that you never hear much about the Germans helping Saddam. Goes to show everyone's feces ain't so floral as they think.


Posted by Jonathan, 4:44 PM -

Prophecy or Parody?
The Onion offers a scarily accurate portrait of the Bush presidency.


Posted by Laura, 4:41 PM -

Newsweek Comes Around

Less than two weeks into the second gulf war, does Operation Iraqi Freedom risk blowing up into a Middle East war? That scenario, once very remote, is no longer unthinkable. Some neoconservative hawks might even wish a wider war (“On to Damascus!”); more-restrained Bush administration officials dread an inflamed “Arab Street” turning on its pro-U.S. governments—a conflagration that could force regime change in, say, Amman, Jordan, before Baghdad. Barring a sudden collapse of the Baathist regime—still a possibility, senior administration officials insist—the war in Iraq is about to get bloodier. Saddam’s regime is doomed, almost certainly. But at what cost?


Posted by Nikhil, 3:08 PM -

Images, etc.

La Liberation's Photo Gallery

And, Jared, I understand the strategic argument, but saying that he hopes for 18 million violent deaths is indefensable. Ignoring historical realities of Mogadishu and the various sizes of populations: like it or not, if this war became 'balanced' tomorrow more people overall would die. People's lives should not be used as pawns in a game of realpolitik and death should not be the means by which a positive change comes about. Wasn't that the argument of the anti-war movement in the first place?


Posted by Nikhil, 11:29 AM -

Limousine Liberals Riding with Aidid
I'm laughing because in Mogadishu, 18 US soldiers died, and in the fight, the small contingent of surrounded US troops killed over 1,000 Somalis (according to the Red Cross). By no estimate have we killed that many Iraqi civilians yet (unless one is suggesting we also don't kill their soldiers - although even among those we are giving remarkable quarter), with a combat force of a quarter million and over a week of war. So I guess reactionary liberals are as bad as neocons at math. 1,000,000 * combat deaths of Mogadishu = 18,000,000 US deaths and over 1,000,000,000 Iraqi. We can scale it down so it more accurately reflects the US armed forces and something more realistic than 1/6 the population of the entire world as being Iraqi. Somalia was only a failure because we left, not because 18 people died. Listen to the military members that were there. They think the political leadership failed them, not the other way around, by not letting them finish their job. This leadership is going to make them finish their job, even if it was a stupid idea to begin with. I guarantee if there're "a million Mogadishus" in Iraq, it will end up being worse "in fact" for the Iraqis, even if it is bad "in symbol" (which is apparently only political) for us.

Speaking of symbol, though, I can't fathom that it isn't inhumane to drag someone's corpse through the street on televsion - it's only symbolic. First of all, although I don't hold the religious beliefs the would argue that from the point of the dead person, I'm sure we could find someone who does. I will not be the one to tell them their beliefs are hokey. Secondly, though, I guess it also has no inhumane effect on someone's 11 year old kids to see mom or dad's corpse dragged through the street. Open wide, Scott Tennorman, and have some of this chili with mommy and daddy in it. Radiohead will call you a crybaby.





Posted by Jonathan, 10:50 AM -

I'm for the Mogadishus
I'm glad, Tim, to see another progressive run from a Leftists idea with his tail between his legs.
I think it's somewhat facile to pass off Nicholas De Genova's comments as easily as the Columbia President and others do. Your aversion to wishing harm on anyone is fine, but the was is already started, and we started it Think about it like this:
American lives are in no way more important than Iraqi lives. Yet, if Iraq pummeled us, they'd probably face at least somewhat fewer casualties. If, hypothetically, the same number of people died in that fight, just more of us, how is that more wrong?
In fact, the impact of a death toll on a country is in many ways proportional, so it would take a lot more of us to even compare, and that's not even considering the amount of American infrastructure they'd have to decimate to break even.
Given these two reasonable points, De Genova's argument holds water for a thinking humanitarian - at the end of the day, it's at worst a-moral - unless one wanted to argue that US life is more important than Iraqi life.
De Genova's argument, of course, is more extreme. He thinks that the Iraqis should not only beat us, they should abuse our troops. Now this is a nasty inhumane thing, but, again, I'm with several others on this - inhuman treatment is bad, but war is war. Now, people should be tried for inhumanity, but isn't the act of war inhumane?
Sullivan's translation is that De Genova would have people shot and then mutilated then paraded through the street. That's interesting. The problem for Sullivan is post-mortem. It's image, it's symbol. Well, that's not inhumane. That's political. Inhumanity is the act of killing in this case - but it's a war, that's the idea.
This is the whole point. The idea of Iraqis killing and maybe torturing our people is disturbing to everyone, it seems, but De Genova. But no one gives a shit about our going in and killing for no good reason. De Genova's dreams for a violent war are no different from many Americans' hope that we will torture the Iraqis that were responsible for 9/11 and our economy and AIDS. In man-on-the-street interviews on CNN and Fox even children spout vile inhumanity against Iraqis. They didn't even start the damn war.
And you judge the audience at Columbia for not being outraged. You bemoan De Genova's inhumanity. Think about it. Where's the frustration at the American Public for not being outraged? De Genova, unlike some assholes, doesn't think that US life is inherently more important. His point is that if one side is going to suffer, why the hell shouldn't it be the aggressor?
Obviously, if you have a solution mid-war where no one suffers, and we unkill a few hundred Iraqis, I'd be glad to hear.


Posted by Jared, 2:29 AM -

A Dilemma
The Washington Post is running an excellent article about house-to-house searching done by the Marines. On one hand, the women and children are shocked and frightened, and conceivably the householder (a man) is as well. On the other hand, the man claims only to have one assualt rifle for hunting and self-defense (the Marines were going to leave it with him), but a cursory search turns up a machine gun, a sight (ostensibly for mortars), an RPG, a lot of cash, and several loaded clips for the AK. Obviously this changes the situation somewhat for the owner, who clearly did not submit a fully truthful account of the contents of his house; yet what is going to happen to the women and children now that the Marines have torn their house to shreds to turn up these weapons?


Posted by Jonathan, 1:36 AM -
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